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在吕大侠的大作中提到：

WALKOVER ISSUE!If one or two of the top 8 player OFFICIALLY!! declare to withdraw from the compeitition. THE RIGHT THING TO DO is to allow the 9th or 10th position player to play in the quarter finals. So as to ensure no WALKOVER and thus maintaining integrity of the compeitition. If there was no official statement endorse to the organiser for withdrawing from the compeitition by any of the top 8 players. Then it would also be right for the organiser to not allow the 9th or 10th player to enter the quarter finals. i have heard about the zhuang cai jun and chen jing ling case. i hope that sixga can seriously consider letting chen jing ling to enter quarter finals. For Zhuang cai jun if you have not officially declare to sixga then i suggest you do, that is if you really are unable to turn up due to personal reasons. Give the boy a chance to prove himself. I'm sure SIXGA wouldn't want TO ANYHOW!! promote anyone to 'B' grade by WALKOVER. I'm sure that all the xiangqi enthusiast in SG don't wan (more...)

Actually, anyone know what is the organiser stand and final decision? (NM)

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在吕大侠的大作中提到：

吕大侠 maybe you can...

consolidate your thoughts for a few hours then post unless you are trying to create a special effects in the postings.

You seems to be everywhere discussing in the same post discussing about the same issue.

So far you are the only one who can consistently have best results with my opening. Hope to have chance to learn from you at CXQ again after Xmas.

:-)

--kurubear

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在卷心菜的大作中提到：

呵呵，是啊，八强三轮简易双败淘汰制需要八强棋手胜2场才能晋级。今年6月，针对象总首次采用的8强3轮淘汰制的改进（优于7轮4强直接晋级），我在此基础上设计了一个强三轮简易双败淘汰制，可以继续讨论和改进。也可以在其他一些比赛中先试验试验，找出优缺点。这种赛制的好处是八强棋手胜2场才能晋级，也不会败一场就淘汰，即使有一人有急事walkover也不会直接造成对手晋级。八人双败淘汰 -- 7 + 3 method 胜者组 4人 select positions 1, 2, 3 and 5 负者组 4人 select positions 4, 6, 7 and 8 Position and results 1 胜胜胜胜者组 2 胜胜负胜者组 3 胜负胜胜者组 4 负胜胜 5 胜负负胜者组 6 负胜负 7 负负胜 8 负负负

So it is still played over 3 rounds? (NM)

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在吕大侠的大作中提到：

With so much excitement, hopefully, more ppl will be at this week matches (NM)

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在卷心菜的大作中提到：

Is there a picture form to visualise with? ...

- Maybe you can send me the details later this weekend
- and we make it easier for others to understand through diagrams or sth ,
- put out on web then
- we further discuss at huasing.org

We should not waste the efforts put in so far to develop sth that suits Singapore scene more.

-kurubear

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在卷心菜的大作中提到：

In this case is 5 people max will promote? (NM)

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在吕大侠的大作中提到：

BTW, this walkover is for 1 or 3 days of the event? (NM)

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在碧山的大作中提到：

if all 7 players agree to 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制 .......... 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制需要八强棋手胜2场才能晋级。 if all 7 players agree to 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制, then may be SIXGA can consider to implement it for the next three days, of course, in this case 卷心菜 is 8th position or no ranking position. The good point is there is no change to the pairings for the next three rounds except you need to interchange the positions for 4th and 5th, in this situation, 胡伟良 needs to get a win in Rounds 9 or 10 before promotion, otherwise, his position is 5th under 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制 even he has a walkover tomorrow evening. Position and results for 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制 1 胜胜胜胜者组 2 胜胜负胜者组 3 胜负胜胜者组 4 负胜胜 5 胜负负胜者组 6 负胜负 7 负负胜 8 负负负

Maybe hard for organiser to make informed decision at such short notice (NM)

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在 155HgFH88 的大作中提到：

I think it's only fair to stick to the rules of the competition.The original rules have already stated that the top 8 players will qualify for the quarter-final and it should be honoured. Whether 卷心菜 turns up or not should not be used as a consideration to admit Chen Jing Ling to the quarter-final. This holds true even for international competitions. If a sportsman is absent from a match for whatever reason, it is considered a walkover and that no replacement is allowed.

2 points...

- ours only national tournament. Other people rules is for our reference. Good cats we adopt, bad cats we run far away from them. Probably we should explore options so long as it fits the long term positive development of the sports.

- if it is a withdrawal from the tournament for all 3 days, then it affects a total of 3 matches. I am not sure if replacement is not allowed or because of the difficulty of locating the next best International enemy. Anyone familiar with this issue?

People say Singapore just a little red dot, so maybe still can mobilise the next best suited local enemy and so on as replacement. I am sure s/he will not complain of the chance.

----kurubear

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在碧山的大作中提到：

I have called SIXGA on this matter ...... I have called SIXGA on 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制, even if SIXGA agrees to implement, all 7 players need to agree before the Round 8 starts tomorrow evening. In fact, all positions no change except Positions 4th and 5th for 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制 and 八强三轮淘汰制.

For a player in the TOP8, ...

it maybe overwhelming. Changing a system midway don't seems fair to them. Maybe we should be looking at simplier alternatives. Having all 7 players 100% willingly agree is not easy tasks.

I think in this case, to proceed, the procedure for getting agreement should be robust. Preferably they are informed today so that they have the chance to think through. Also, in the event of one objection what is the alternative. We must respect their decision without pressuring them. All these should be made along with the reasons for the suggestion for this improvement. At all times, the professionalism, fairness and neutrality of the organiser has to be maintained.

quick thoughts
------kurubear

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在碧山的大作中提到：

you are going back to point no.1 .... if SIXGA agrees ..... we shall stop here. Anyway, I prefer to give suggestions to SIXGA directly, the discussions here as forum just for sharing views.

Just remind...

the organiser to propose to the players in a professional way and have their written agreement. We don't want any ugly disputes later.

---kurubear

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在碧山的大作中提到：

Thank You 碧山 for time/effort to improve the event (NM)

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在卷心菜的大作中提到：

重要更正：我今天忙晕了，是碧山兄今天首次提出八强三轮双败淘汰制重要更正：我今天忙晕了，是碧山兄今天首次提出八强三轮双败淘汰制。我今年6月提出的是八强四轮双败淘汰制。个人认为八强三轮双败仍有缺陷，国际上不一定认同第4第5位置互换。而八强四轮双败的最主要缺陷是需最后一个星期日赛两轮。现在我简要解释一下：方案一：八强三轮双败淘汰制提出人：碧山关键点：赛制跟目前八强直接淘汰赛一摸一样，只是第4和第5名交换位置，理由是现在第4名是1胜2负，而第5名是1负2胜。方案二：八强四轮双败淘汰制提出人：卷心菜赛制：前三轮跟国际惯例相同，在第四轮作出改进，决定所有名次。下面介绍所有4轮详细情况第一轮：8支队伍两两对垒，结束后，4支进入胜者1组，4支进入败者1组。第二轮：胜者组4支两两对垒，获胜的2支进入胜者2组（并升为乙级），落败的2支进入中间组。（胜者2组就是第1，第2名）败者1组4支两两对垒，获胜的2支进入中间组，落败的2支队伍淘进入败者2组。（败者2组就是第7，第8名）第三轮：胜者2组和败者2组的四支队伍休息。中间组4支队伍两两对垒，获胜的两支进入3，4名争夺战（并升为乙级），落败的两支进入5，6名争夺战至此，三轮过后，晋升乙级的4名选手� (more...)

I think you focus on work this weekend 1st...

Such complicated things we go into details after you back from business trip. Will take days at least.

Have a safe trip!

---kurubear

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在吕大侠的大作中提到：

its 7+2 right so must be 2 FULL DAYS OF WALKOVER FOR TWO PLAYERS IF I'M RIGHT..

I not sure also...

I saw many 7+3 format discussion. I think nobody knows what is happening except Fri Round 8 there is one walkover. Maybe must wait for tomorrow to have clearer picture. I getting confused all the discussions so far is about that match or the Round8/9/10 matches.

----kurubear

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在碧山的大作中提到：

No lah, I did not propose the method but I read somewhere but ..... No lah, I did not propose the method but I read somewhere (a competition in China) but could not recall the article. Recently saw this method in one of Malaysia events.

Maybe we should store the key ideas...

on the various key topics somewhere so we dun waste time hunting it down if we want to follow up.

--kurubear

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在吕大侠的大作中提到：

Juz curious, let's VOTE, who agree to walkover get B grade? say i agree..thx

If I am the player, I have no violent objection...

to get Grade B through walkover because I am not at fault here. Maybe is my good luck :-) I rather just focus on the next 2 games and aim for the top prize to buy an I-phone, that's all.

If I am a dominant champion material, then maybe I will be angry because one less victim to display my fantastic skills :-)

----kurubear

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在卷心菜的大作中提到：

八强赛是按章程经过组委会集体研究决定的，是公平的。吕大侠也是本届象总理事会成员，肯定也知道八强赛是按章程经过组委会集体研究决定的，是公平的。对于参加报名的40位男子棋手来说，事实上是一个也不能少，少一个人报名就不会有本次精彩的比赛，就不会见证少帅廖铭濠直取7连胜，不会见到榴莲兄弟精湛的捡榴莲棋艺双双进入八强，不会目睹最后一轮前八台的超惊险刺激的决战（近年来罕见），也不会见到陈靖麟拼搏到底，永不放弃的精神，末战奋战3个半小时最终恨别八强。所以在享受精彩比赛的同时，我们也需有一颗平常心来看待忙碌的棋手有时无法分身的处境（国大杯团体赛赛事冲突，婚礼，工作，商务出国），毕竟我们没有一人是职业棋手。我这次也是因为公务缠身，周末去中国商务办事，申请表，机票，都已早早出具，不可能去得罪给自己饭碗的老板。当然本次比赛我原本没有料到能超水平发挥，打的这么好，毕竟我没有准备，求胜心不强，实力在B组只是中游。再谈胡伟良，其实我对胡伟良是心服口服的。在今年8月全国团体赛上已经提前上演了八强战，一样的时间（60分钟每步加30秒），我拼尽全力，大战3小时，仍然先手不敌胡伟良。胡伟良在团体赛上还击败了一刀n断，而后大战特级大师吴宗翰，最终只是马 (more...)

Having a valid, non-intentional reason is good enough but...

thinking you will lose to your enemy this Fri is not. Past games not equal Friday game. Unless u make the same moves and mistakes with him.There must be some areas you need to improve or change to improve the odds with him. Just looking at the end results alone would let us miss out the keys to our potentially fast improvement.

My mentor say unless obvious or when your enemy has won the game, the result in still uncertain, so don't declare yourself as the loser first.
:-)

---kurubear

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