一个新加坡女生写的,看了很无语,替某些同志羞愧about a month ago, my CS2301 tutorial class was split up into random groups of four to write a report proposal. so my group consisted of a vietnamese guy, a PRC girl, a singaporean girl and me. together, we came up with an outline for the report.
but actually, the word "together" isn't that accurate, since the PRC girl basically contributed nothing. and it's not an exaggeration to say that she contributed nothing since she didn't contribute a single word in the outline. so it was the three of us doing a four-person's share of work.but never mind, because for the actual report writing, the group was further split into two halves, the vietnamese and PRC in one, the other singaporean girl and i in another. good good, because i was hoping i wouldn't have to partner the PRC girl. but alas, i thanked my lucky stars too early because i still ended up doing most of the report by myself. the deadline was today, and i spent most of yesterday rushing the report. my partner didn't even bother SMSing me or coming online to discuss the report even though she knew we had to submit the report today. and when i told her to come online at 7pm, she didn't until 12am. good for her, because by then i had already finished the whole 13-page report by myself, and all she had to do was add any changes she might want, and send it back to me for some final editing. she said sorry for making me do all the work, and with that, she went offline. so i waited, and waited, and waited until 2am, and still she didn't return online. SMSed her, and she came online, said "yo!" and then went offline immediately. what the...? i gave up, and went to sleep my inadequate sleep. my part was done.woke up in the morning today, SMSed her to remind her to print out the stuff. and when she brought the report to class for submission, i found that she didn't make any changes at all and i also found that since each group submitted two similar reports, all four people in the group would receive the same mark for the more well-written report. so effectively, all the four people in my group would receive the same mark for the solo work that one person did, me.
but that's not all. right after this report writing project, we had to write a user manual for a piece of software called sqirlz morph. again, the class was split into various groups of three or four for this project. but since everyone came into the class not knowing anyone else, the only friends they made were their group members from the report writing project. so, i was stuck with the PRC girl and the singaporean girl again, while the vietnamese guy decided to join his vietnamese friend in another group. tried very hard not to grimace since i know it would, once again, be me doing the work of all the other group members, and this project is going to be a lot more work than the previous one. so anyway, we're supposed to have tried out the software, sqirlz morph, before turning up for class today for discussion. after all, how can you write a user manual for a piece of software when you don't even know how the software works, right? so guess whether those two other girls tried out the software, or even bothered to install it. NO THEY DIDN'T. and i'm pretty sure the PRC girl didn't even know what "morph" means.
i seriously wonder where their sense of responsibility is. shouldn't people be more responsible when it comes to working in groups? hello? it's not just YOU that your supreme slacking and poor work attitude is gonna affect. everyone in the group has to put in his or her fair share. don't expect other people in the group to do your work for you just because you can't be bothered to.[何必同志何必呢 (9-13 23:06, Long long ago)]
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惭愧死了，赶紧去改我们组的project[仙流命 (9-13 23:20, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]2楼
So what? 哪个地方都出这样的学生吧?那个组不是还有个local女生也什么都没干么? 怎么就把矛头对准了PRC的女生呢? 当然PRC学生这么不积极也是很丢人的事情.
当老师的面对这样的组员矛盾时是这么看的: 矛盾是不是及时的被提出来? 如果工作是按部就班的话, 那么在早先的某个阶段就应该看出谁干活谁不干活了, 及时的报告老师或者更换组员, 最后就不会因为一个人砸了整个组的成绩(或者让不劳而获者占便宜). 如果矛盾是在交完了作业才被提出来, 那么很抱歉, 老师们不想圈进私人的冲突中, 最简单的做法就是给每个人一样的分数(团队合作不好带来惩罚也是很自然的), 除非还有组员强烈反对, 那么才把几个人叫到一起调整分数高低.上学期3243有一组就这么解决了...
所以如果组里出现问题, 不要等, 不要拖, 早点跟老师讲~[江南渔夫 (9-13 23:25, Long long ago)]
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(引用 仙流命:惭愧死了，赶紧去改我们组的project)可是有的时候真的是能力所限，英语就是不如local的好，怎么办呢？！[仙流命 (9-13 23:38, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]4楼
(引用 仙流命:可是有的时候真的是能力所限，英语就是不如local的好，怎么办呢？！)换个课就完了........[daxiang (9-13 23:46, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]5楼
尽量表现得积极一点，即使帮不上忙也给他们留个稍微好点的印象[dididada (9-13 23:47, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]6楼
干了活的新加坡人，也不一定就好以前刚选IS的时候，前辈都说新加坡人英语如何好占优势，中国人如何划不着。结果IS的第一门课2105就和5个新加坡/马来西亚女生分到一起。我一开始还觉得不错，后来通过每次Tutorial的回答问题，很快就看出端倪：这些人都很会操笔记和教材，但实质的回答就是鹿唇不对马嘴的东西。结果最后那个Report,说好15页，有15个point需要Mention，几个女的每人几个Point，然后让我来汇总。她们就抄了好多东西给我，加起来超过30页。。。。。我实在郁闷，把她们的东西丢开不看，自己完全从头写了一份交上去。后来ReadingWeek去取成绩的时候，我是没有兴趣去看的，她们当中有一个人高高兴兴的SMS我说得了A。
再往后，我做Project都尽量和中国人一起，免得被新加坡人拖累。。。
现在都工作了，也有很多Report要写。我从来就坚信用我知道的5000个英文单词，绝对可以准确的表达我的意思。。。[离散鼠穴 (9-14 0:04, Long long ago)]
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干嘛呀？。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
。。。。。。。。。。。。。。[黛玉 (9-14 0:07, Long long ago)]
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(引用 离散鼠穴:干了活的新加坡人，也不一定就好以前刚选IS的时候，前辈都说新加坡人英语如何好占优势，中国人如何划不着。结果IS的第一门课2105就和5个�...)说的好！[calvin (9-14 0:30, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]9楼
什么乱七八糟的啊？！简直是垃圾，说了这么半天，不就是想说那个中国的女孩子没干什么事情吗？不是还有一个local也是什么都没干？怎么不说另一个人呢？我看就是对中国人有某种偏见吧？！何必呢？！感觉造成这种情况的原因主要还是他们没有很好的把人组织起来！并不是prc或者singapore！当然，
楼主又何必说什么替谁羞愧之类的话呢？没必要吧？！具体情况大家又不知道！只不过是一个人的一面之词！当然了，我们确实也是有需要改进的地方！可能做ｐｒｏｊｅｃｔ的时候可以发挥更大的作用吧！？这样以后工作了可能也会有帮助！
不过，我个人确实不认为有什么好羞愧的！We just try our best to do what we can do![calvin (9-14 0:46, Long long ago)]
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(引用 离散鼠穴:干了活的新加坡人，也不一定就好以前刚选IS的时候，前辈都说新加坡人英语如何好占优势，中国人如何划不着。结果IS的第一门课2105就和5个�...)您的意思是说不干活的中国人就一定好对不？新加坡人英文烂的大有人在……
但是，你回复“干了活的新加坡人，也不一定就好”是啥意思呢？
给新加坡人抹黑，难道就可以给中国人漂白么？
“我实在郁闷，把她们的东西丢开不看，自己完全从头写了一份交上去。”
您知道什么叫做team work么？
"再往后，我做Project都尽量和中国人一起，免得被新加坡人拖累。。。"
其实，我很想说，您这样的说法，跟狮城论坛上说新加坡人是吃猪饲料长大的那位很有得比了……
您或许真的很优秀……但是……麻烦您注意一下……牛X的新加坡人基本上都出国读大学了……进国大的，都是普通货色……您有空不妨去RJC逛逛……如果您还能够保持您的优越感的话，恭喜您……您现在又何必给新加坡人工作呢？快点把老板抄了吧……还写什么report呢？雇新加坡人给你写report不是更好？[SPH_Wuvist (9-14 2:20, Long long ago)]
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(引用 calvin:什么乱七八糟的啊？！简直是垃圾，说了这么半天，不就是想说那个中国的女孩子没干什么事情吗？不是还有一个local也是什么都没干？怎么不�...)“I will do my best.”如果您也读过CS2301的话， 相信您会知道“I will do my best.”究竟是什么意思……
看上去，跟您的结论“We just try our best to do what we can do! ”非常相似……
“不是还有一个local也是什么都没干？怎么不说另一个人呢？”
恩恩恩……
照这样子理论，您大可上街抢劫，上街抢劫而没有被抓到的人多得是……警察不抓他们，当然也没有必要抓你对不对？恩恩……强盗理论都是这样的……
“楼主又何必说什么替谁羞愧之类的话呢？没必要吧？！”
请问什么是有必要的？写信给Dean，让那个中国女生进Dean's list好不好？[SPH_Wuvist (9-14 2:26, Long long ago)]
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真是够惭愧的！[solo_soul (9-14 2:34, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]13楼
我也在读2301我们组两个越南男生一个新加坡女生一个中国女生（就是我）。其中一个越南人不爱干活，经常在deadline前玩失踪，真是要命啊。。反正，我们的first draft是因为他在tutorial前失踪了两天而且没有做他的part也没有来tutorial所以没能交。。当然我们当时也是太轻信了，不应该assume所有成年人都会负责人做好自己的东西的。moral of the story，下次还有谁在deadline前失踪，就assume他下地狱永不超生了，其他人把他的部分做完 >_< 后来他说他生病了。生病了就两天电话不接短讯不回？？然后电脑开着msn在线（是online，不是away不是busy）可是人一直不在？？
我们组也有个新加坡女生。。她自己没有写东西，负责把我们写的东西compile起来。。然后，她经常碰巧在deadline前生病。。据说她花了6个小时修改我们的report，不过，还是错露白出。。她能允许文章里一直出现"educated animation series"而不是"educational animation series"。disclaimer，"educated animation series"没有在我写的部分出现过。反正，后来我又花了n个小时去修改她修改过的东西，从昨晚她把"修改好的"report发给我们开始直到今天凌晨4点半。。我承认我改得久是因为我没有什么效率，自己英文也不好，可是，8页的report中我还是找出来n多错误。。n>50
嗯，要表扬另外一个越南小孩，他今天早上把我改过的report读了一遍，又做了一些修改。然后还主动拿去print了。
反正，这个report写得像恶梦一样。总算今天交了。然后老师帮我们分了全新的组。我喜欢我新的组。嘿嘿。[嗯嗯... (9-14 2:40, Long long ago)]
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(引用 嗯嗯...:我也在读2301我们组两个越南男生一个新加坡女生一个中国女生（就是我）。其中一个越南人不爱干活，经常在deadline前玩失踪，真是要命啊。...)嗯嗯...哎…… 其实…… 你的英文已经比大多数新加坡人好了…… 其实……感觉……CS2301的group都分得很……偶不懂怎么形容…… 相信……偶的group mate也是在抱怨我吧…… Well……我也应该好好反省一下…… [SPH_Wuvist (9-14 2:48, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]15楼
(引用 SPH_Wuvist:您的意思是说不干活的中国人就一定好对不？新加坡人英文烂的大有人在……
但是，你回复“干了活的新加坡人，也不一定就好”是啥意思呢？
...)小小攻击你一下看你的名字是拿了SPH的奖学金了，先恭喜你。
然后结合你对这个帖子发表的所有评论，送你一句话——既想当婊子，又要立牌坊[勇敢的绝对值 (9-14 3:14, Long long ago)]
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why not just tell your "teammates" this.[liuyidao (9-14 3:16, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]17楼
这个问题啊，如果站在第三方的角度，是老师的没有适当的布置安排使GROUP发挥其真正的威力；
如果站在“PRC girl"的位置上，也许她有苦衷，正好处在重大事件的处理上面确实抽身不开，不好意思表达太多，但是心里是不好意思地。
站在作者的立场，just a piece of advice，"Dong more than paid for."， why？ask Napoleon while free.
^_^[lifeTaster (9-14 4:01, Long long ago)]
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记得我们当时也有个中国男生喜欢玩失踪，分完组之后手机关机，MSN两周不上线[帝释天 (9-14 10:42, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]19楼
(引用 帝释天:记得我们当时也有个中国男生喜欢玩失踪，分完组之后手机关机，MSN两周不上线)不过现在那人可能已经退学了吧...........[帝释天 (9-14 10:42, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]20楼