(引用 棋人生:I noticed that she played 5 games on Friday night ....of course, these 5 games were played for fun by the 4 players (she and 3 S...)厉害厉害，看来有资本挑战特级大师张心欢。[卷心菜 (9-10 1:04, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]21楼

(引用 卷心菜:厉害厉害，看来有资本挑战特级大师张心欢。)听我邻居陈茂然说她第五盘时累了，输给了他。[卷心菜 (9-10 1:06, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]22楼

(引用 几度:刚和marauder聊了一下marauder只是想帮自己的队澄清一下，其实论坛也不需要搞到太严肃。“外援”的提法敏感了一点，尤其是用作个人意见时...)嗯，本身在论坛上可各抒己见，大家都在努力使得新加坡象棋水平整体能有大飞跃。[卷心菜 (9-10 1:08, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]23楼

(引用 卷心菜:成绩报告：甘榜格南8分获得冠军！哥南亚逸A，飞鹰，白沙东5分并列第二。成绩报告：甘榜格南8分获得冠军！哥南亚逸A，飞鹰，白沙东5分并列...)谢谢发贴宣传本棋会于9月8日主办友谊赛(因含义联谊交流,故名为联谊聚会,不以赛称),获得各友好棋队支持,才能圆满结束,谨此致谢,招待不周之处,务请多多包涵.这次我们用了些新手上阵，旨在让他们汲取实战经验,谈不上与高手交锋过招,他们的确从中获益不浅,谢谢高手们的指点.[棋儒 (9-10 1:14, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]24楼

(引用 几度:不错不错卷心菜这盘下得不错了，虽然下面的变化未必都能算过，但临场的纠缠，看得出计算已经比以前更能抓住局势的中心了。以友谊赛限时的...)多谢几度，我想探讨一下这个局里黑方右车的出路。进边兵较缓，车1进2不错。
然后不进边兵的话能不能继续贯彻象3进1，车1平3兑车的战术？

这个局我之前看过很多人下，红方包括黄俊铭赖汉顺都喜爱（见赖汉顺vs将五进九），加上其他棋手最起码有25人以上本地高手在红方时擅长此局。
作为黑方，我棋力不及各位高手，但风格上比较喜欢针尖对麦芒，冒昧请几度先生对此开局黑方的防守要点做个简要分析？

呵呵。[卷心菜 (9-10 1:19, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]25楼

(引用 棋人生:told 棋儒that 哥南亚逸 is not a "good" place for 碧山in all three years .... ...)对不起,贵棋队运气差点棋人生太会说笑了,不要太介意,风水会轮流转的.[棋儒 (9-10 1:28, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]26楼

(引用 棋儒:谢谢发贴宣传本棋会于9月8日主办友谊赛(因含义联谊交流,故名为联谊聚会,不以赛称),获得各友好棋队支持,才能圆满结束,谨此致谢,招待不周之...)哥南亚逸乐龄中心象棋会3周年会庆象棋团体友谊赛

Hi all friends and 棋儒

I would like to make an apologize that Yishun North CC chess club failed to trun up the 哥南亚逸乐龄中心象棋会3周年会庆象棋团体友谊赛 on 08.09.2007 .
This is eventually my mistaken (wulong) as I thought that the event was held on Sunday instead.
It had caused so much inconvenience to 哥南亚逸乐龄中心象棋会 and they had to form up another team on last minutes .
[理解象棋 (9-10 2:06, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]27楼

(引用 卷心菜:多谢几度，我想探讨一下这个局里黑方右车的出路。进边兵较缓，车1进2不错。 然后不进边兵的话能不能继续贯彻象3进1，车1平3兑车的战术？ ...)回复顺炮本地活跃棋手中最有心得的或许是莫文耀和郑祥福两位。另外你请教王英再先生也很不错。近期的变化，很多棋手多少都有接触过。我下顺炮不多，理解最多只在中等吧。

粗略地说，黑在第7回合（还没有士4进5）走象3进1再车1平3保马的变化，在红出现炮八平五的变化后就基本消失了，因为演变下去红方再出车九平八牵炮，演变下去能够占优。后来都改成先补士。如你这局让红车压马后把马退回，红方看似占先，但过河车的位置并不很理想，而且给了黑方车占4路的机会，有得有失，黑应该是可以下的。红近期有不车六平七压马，而直接走炮八平三，等黑马3进4，再车六平五的变化，红方还是较为主动。

红走了车六平七压马，黑马3退4后，红一般要走兵三进一。象本局再起横车（车九进一）是少见的攻法。黑车8平4占肋后，防御坚固，红再车九平四并无意义，所以实战不得已要炮八平四再车九平八绕道出车，结果造成双马受制。实战你卒7进1是简明的变化，可以完全制住红方双马。如走象3进1再兑车，同样也是反先。

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(引用 卷心菜:多谢几度，我想探讨一下这个局里黑方右车的出路。进边兵较缓，车1进2不错。 然后不进边兵的话能不能继续贯彻象3进1，车1平3兑车的战术？ ...)回复之二这局主要的问题是红双马受制明显劣于黑右车受制。红既然无法急攻，黑象3进1再车1平3兑车，和车1进2再平3兑，没有太大不同。兑车后，黑要平3路炮攻击红马扩大先手，才是计划的中心。[几度 (9-10 3:05, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]29楼

(引用 棋人生:I noticed that she played 5 games on Friday night ....of course, these 5 games were played for fun by the 4 players (she and 3 S...)Does she have any title back in China?
According to what you described, I would be very interested to know how she would fare against our GM Zhang Xin Huan, who I think is still the best female chess player in Singapore.[marauder (9-10 10:25, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]30楼

(引用 marauder:My personal reply (does not represent the opinion and ideals of my club)Boon Lay CC Chinese Chess club did not encourage our pla...)to share some personal views on good overseas players
I have clarified on "Team Friendly Match" in a separate note.

Regarding the issue of good overseas players, I wish to share some personal views here.

When I mentioned overseas players, actually I am referring to those coming to Singapore for a few days to represent a local team in a team competition.

For those holding work permits or students passes etc, I am considering them as players in Singaspore for the duration when they are working or studying in Singapore. Definitely, they help to improve the skill levels of Singaporeans during their stays.

For those overseas players with a few days stay in Singapore, their main goal is to win in a team competition sponsored and it is the only expectation from their sponsor(s). It has no or little improvement to the skill levels of their other Singapore team members during the stay.

I do not think their sponsors will "invite them over to give the other Singaporeans from other teams the opportunities to play with these top players for free." If this is the thinking of the sponsor, could it be very unfair to the Singaporeans in their own team (???).

As mentioned, the Champion is just in NAME and only valid during the competition duration with overseas good player(s).

If the good overseas players or trainers come over for a longer period, say a few weeks or even months, then it is a total different issue and it will definitely bring up the skill levels of some or more Singapore players at least during their stays or even better after their stays. Sponsor(s) for such nature of ativities will be very much appreciated, this is also why we build up a closer relationships with, in examples 黄少龙教授(中国象棋大师) and 言穆江（中国象棋大师） during their stays in Singapore and they even contributed articles to our 5th Anniversary Newsletter Special Edition later.

For details, please refer to two early postings on


海外来稿 : 黄少龙(中国象棋大师) -- 漫谈象棋人才 Publicity 8 ......
2007-06-22 14:21


海外来稿 : 言穆江（中国象棋大师） Publicity 9 ......
2007-06-22 14:23

Of course, during the team competition, players from any team will like to have chances to play with good overseas player(s) provided the sponsors are having the same thinkings, to the sponsors, they need to know their purposes of sponsoring the events. [棋人生 (9-10 11:27, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]31楼

(引用 marauder:Does she have any title back in China? According to what you described, I would be very interested to know how she would fare ag...)find out more from her on Sunday afternoons at SIXGA ....
if I am not wrong, she got under 16 champion previously in Canton.[棋人生 (9-10 11:32, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]32楼

(引用 卷心菜:成绩报告：甘榜格南8分获得冠军！哥南亚逸A，飞鹰，白沙东5分并列第二。成绩报告：甘榜格南8分获得冠军！哥南亚逸A，飞鹰，白沙东5分并列...)一人多队, our current way to handle ....
just to share our current way to handle this matter as we do not object 一人多队 in the past, present and of course, hopefully into the future.

For our members under 一人多队, they participate in all internal activities as other members, eig. internal competition, but for external activities, they have to decide (we also communicate with the leader of the other team) to represent one team only during the specific period, of course, they can indicate if they want to represent another team for another period (we communicate with the leader of the other team again).

One example is we have one Grade 1 player joined us in July 2005, particiapted in our internal competitions 2005 and 2006 but only starting to represent us from Apr 2007 in external activities.

So far, we do not encounter any problem in this way of handling, and we will continue to use this method until review to be conducted if any. [棋人生 (9-10 12:21, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]33楼

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[卷心菜 (9-10 12:39, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]34楼

(引用 棋人生:to share some personal views on good overseas players I have clarified on "Team Friendly Match" in a separate note. Regarding t...)My opinion (from the player's perspective)There is always a cloud of pessimism over the issue of bringing in top players from overseas to represent their teams.

I would also like to clarify further on my statement "invite them over to give the other Singaporeans from other teams the opportunities to play with these top players for free." What I am trying to say here is that Singaporeans from other teams have a chance to play with this top players (free of charge) during the competition without the need to be able to represent Singapore. How many people have the chance to represent Singapore, when the players representating Singapore, sad to say, are almost always the same few. This encounters with these top players, despite being only a game, our players will still learn from such encounters! I am confident that the players who had played Wan Chun Lin, Zhao Nu Quan or any other GM would have agree with me. Furthermore, it is the team that is trying to win that is spending the money.

For me, I would be very happy to be able to just play one game with Hu Rong Hua, or Liu Da Hua, or any other top ranking players overseas. I doubt many would be able to have such a chance.

So the team that recruited the help of a grandmaster might win the championship, but did the other teams totally lose out too? No... The other teams benefit from such an arrangement that their players had experience playing with such top hands. Also, they also have a close encounter to experience how these top hands handle chess positions and games. When should we ponder more in a game? When should we not? These are all valuable lessons to be learnt. This are not to be learnt from any chess books that are on the market. Of course, we will learn much more if we are able to communicate with the player during or after the games.

Furthermore, when a top player visit Singapore, the team that recruited his help also benefit. The players from that team can ask more specific questions personally and challenge him as well.

Therefore, I am strongly in disagreement with your statement that "It has no or little improvement to the skill levels of their other Singapore team members during the stay." Unless that top player invited only play in competitions and no other games during his stay here, then the benefits would be minimal but still existing.

I am also sure that many of the players have experience a bottleneck in their chess after some time. And it is hard to have a breakthrough. Perhaps the introduction of these top players could have sparked a breakthrough in some of these players if they have the chance to match up in the competition? This would be invaluable and would worth all the money spent!

You have also mentioned 黄少龙教授(中国象棋大师) and 言穆江（中国象棋大师）. Yes, I have to agree that they are very nice people and have contribute a lot to try and improve the levels of chess wherever they go. Furthermore, they are heavily involved in the coaching of players. However, they are already not involved in competitive chess. Their level might be able to help the average players like me a lot. But to those strong Singaporean players, these masters' standards might not be enough for them to benefit much too. If we can get the whole of any of the existing team in the China League to just visit Singapore for a few days, That would be marvellous.

Let us also look at other board game in Singapore. From what I know, the team that represent Singapore for othello world cup last year included a former world champion from Japan. And the Singapore team got 3rd overall last year. Though the ranking is mostly due to that Japanese player, our players would have benefit much from fighting alongside with him. This is something not to be measured plainly by money.

In sum, those teams that valued so much of prestige and the champion would have gotten what they wanted from hiring these top hands. But they are also indirectly providing the chance for the other players to play with these people. There are lots of things to ponder about when considering whether or not to include foreign talents within the Singapore team, but I would still prefer to have a more positive attitude on this issue. And of course, this is the player's perspective. Sponsors almost always have to weigh amongst lots of factors before making a decision. The most important thing is where the sponsor's objective lies - the champion or the development of chess in Singapore...[marauder (9-10 13:52, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]35楼

(引用 理解象棋:哥南亚逸乐龄中心象棋会3周年会庆象棋团体友谊赛 Hi all friends and 棋儒 I would like to make an apologize that Yishun North CC c...)怎么没有请BONA VISTA？好久没下这种比赛，手痒心痒[棋仙 (9-10 14:19, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]36楼

(引用 marauder:My opinion (from the player's perspective)There is always a cloud of pessimism over the issue of bringing in top players from ov...)From a player’s view, I would agree to most of your points......
As highlighted in my previous posting : “When I mentioned overseas players, actually I am referring to those coming to Singapore for a few days to represent a local team in a team competition.”, in such case, the benefits to other players definitely more than your own team players excluding getting Champion in the team competition.

To look at it from another angle, if I am able to get a sponsor to contribute a few thousand dollars, do I plan to get good overseas player(s) into Singapore to get Champion for our team in Lion City’s Cup or Lee Bee Wah’s Cup etc. My answer is NO, but if your answer is YES for your team if you are able to get a sponsor to contribute a few thousand dollars, then definitely I am happy for our team players as at least one or few of them having chances to play with your good overseas player(s) in the Lion City’s Cup or Lee Bee Wah’s Cup competitions etc.
[棋人生 (9-10 15:24, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]37楼

(引用 棋仙:怎么没有请BONA VISTA？好久没下这种比赛，手痒心痒)Usual due to limitation of space and budget, you may wish to ask.....郑启岁 to find out more from 棋儒.[棋人生 (9-10 15:33, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]38楼

(引用 棋仙:怎么没有请BONA VISTA？好久没下这种比赛，手痒心痒)你不是可以找张心欢下吗？要不我现在还有点空，跟你一两盘还能奉陪。另外柯永青你还找不到吗？[几度 (9-10 16:21, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]39楼

(引用 几度:你不是可以找张心欢下吗？要不我现在还有点空，跟你一两盘还能奉陪。另外柯永青你还找不到吗？)我相信棋仙喜欢比赛正式下，9月23就能下两场啊，呵呵。[卷心菜 (9-10 16:24, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]40楼