华新 - 4-page 碧山民众俱乐部象棋会简讯 (28) to be published on 15 Nov 2007 .....

(引用棋人生:分级循环赛曁棋艺水平单一分级制 is a good system ......after we used the system in 2006 (24 players in 3 groups) and 2007 (20 pla...)marauder visited us yesterday and wish to know more ......[棋人生 (12-3 9:23, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]41楼

(引用棋人生:The Internal Competition is on -- 25 Nov, 1 & 2 Dec 2007So far, 12 players have registered, 21 Nov is the closing date for regis ...)Top 8 pending the completion of Phase 3 .........
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as indicated in the other posting, the youngest player 攻擂 from Position 14th and upward, not likely for him to move up too many levels (out of 13 levels) if any.

By the way, from the results, if 擂台主 and the youngest player (攻擂) both are placed in Group C before the start of Phase 1, then we are likely to complete all games in Phase 2 and do not need to have Phase 3. Phase 3 is to take care of too low or too high in the grouping(s) early, it is a good control. [棋人生 (12-3 21:39, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]42楼

(引用棋人生:分级循环赛曁棋艺水平单一分级制 is a good system ......after we used the system in 2006 (24 players in 3 groups) and 2007 (20 pla...)don't players in the higher groups have a higher chance of getting top 8?don't players in the higher groups have a higher chance of getting into top 8.

for example
A player in group A who loses all in the first phase would go on to group E in the second phase. Even if the player loses all in the second phase he would still get top 8 if there is no lei tai or if the lei tai does not fight till the top. Whereas a player in group E who wants to fight up would have to win every round.

Hence the players in the higher groups at the start would have more advantage.[将vs帅 (12-3 22:07, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]43楼

(引用将vs帅:don't players in the higher groups have a higher chance of getting top 8?don't players in the higher groups have a higher chance...)No, in this case, he will become 擂台主 and those below him can 攻擂, ..then he will move downward until wherever is his proper placing, the system will take control from both side.

Moving down from the top call 擂台主

Moving up from the bottom call 攻擂

Furthermore, putting in higher groups, e.g. A or B, we need to base on the past records of their performances. We will not put any unknown players in the higher groups.

This is the system of control. [棋人生 (12-3 22:23, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]44楼

(引用棋人生:No, in this case, he will become 擂台主 and those below him can 攻擂, ..then he will move downward until wherever is his proper...)just need to play with those players having about the same level -- key point[棋人生 (12-3 22:27, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]45楼

(引用棋人生:No, in this case, he will become 擂台主 and those below him can 攻擂, ..then he will move downward until wherever is his proper...)furthermore, it is better than swiss pairing system as .......
in swiss pairing system, some players prefer to lost in the second last round so as to have less stronger player in the last round to have better chance to top 8.
[棋人生 (12-3 22:36, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]46楼

(引用将vs帅:don't players in the higher groups have a higher chance of getting top 8?don't players in the higher groups have a higher chance...)key point not to miss -- the system is 分级循环赛 and not 分组循环赛 ....
for 分级循环赛 in football etc, those promoted can play in higher division only in next year but our system allow them to play in the same event, it is a plus point, the promoted players do not need to wait for one year.[棋人生 (12-3 22:43, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]47楼

(引用将vs帅:don't players in the higher groups have a higher chance of getting top 8?don't players in the higher groups have a higher chance...)Sorry, I should welcome you first, to have high ranking players 将帅in ....this discussion, as mentioned we will review and fine tune the system details for future years, so please let us have more views if any.
[棋人生 (12-3 22:49, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]48楼

(引用将vs帅:don't players in the higher groups have a higher chance of getting top 8?don't players in the higher groups have a higher chance...)The forming of 擂台could be from the top too ( 擂台主 and 攻擂)
our this year Group A had 4 players, 1 Grade 1, 2 Grade 2 and 1 no grade (2003 2nd position, 2005 8th position, 2006 not participated due to overseas) and 6 players in Group B.

after Phase 2, if one or few Group A members at the bottom of Group E, then the condition of forming 擂台 is fulfilled,i.e. all (one or few Group A members) will become 擂台主, the 1st and or the next few in Group F will qualify to 攻擂 starting with bottom of Group E as 擂台主 and ist of Group F to 攻擂 in Round 1 of Phase 3, then follow by ...... depending on the result of Round 1 of Phase 3.

An example, if 1 no grade (2003 2nd position, 2005 3rd position, 2006 not participated due to overseas) in Group E is the 6th position instead of 5th position, then he will be the 擂台主 for Group E 1st, 2nd .... to 攻擂.

Alternatively, if any group C member at the top of Group F after Phase 2, then the condition of forming 擂台 is fulfilled too, i.e. he can 攻擂 starting from Group E bottom and move upward.

For this year, starting with 4 groups, any of the 6 following conditions will fulfill the forming of 擂台 :

1 any group A at bottom of Group E 擂台主(two cases happened in 2006)
2 any group B at top of Group E 攻擂
3 any group B at bottom of Group F 擂台主 (one case happened this year)
4 any group C at top of Group F 攻擂(one case happened in 2006)
5 any group C at bottom of Group G 擂台主
6 any group D at top of Group G 攻擂(one case happened this year)

For 2006 starting with 3 groups (no Grade D), 3 cases qualified for 擂台主 or 攻擂 conditions, in 2007, 2 cases qualified for 擂台主 or 攻擂 conditions.

[棋人生 (12-4 6:41, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]49楼

(引用棋人生:The forming of 擂台could be from the top too ( 擂台主 and 攻擂) our this year Group A had 4 players, 1 Grade 1, 2 Grade 2 and 1 ...)then he will be the 擂台主 for Group F 1st, 2nd .... to 攻擂.typo error in previous posting.

the correct wordings as below :

.... then he will be the 擂台主 for Group F 1st, 2nd .... to 攻擂.[棋人生 (12-4 6:46, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]50楼

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[smmasing (12-5 22:47, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]51楼

(引用 smmasing:内部比赛一盘棋，请几度看黑那里下错。 NoName [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350...)还是发文本好了此盘是内部比赛第3轮，我执黑与洪帮主的一盘棋，感觉我已经反先，无奈还是没有胜出，末局觉得红有机会胜出，可惜洪帮主没有下出。

1. 炮八平五马８进７
2. 马八进七车１进１
3. 车九平八马２进１
4. 士四进五车１平６
5. 马二进一卒１进１
6. 车八进四车６进３
7. 炮二平四马１进２
8. 车八平二马２进３
9. 炮五平六车９平８
10. 兵一进一炮２平３
11. 相三进五炮８退１
12. 炮六进六卒９进１
13. 马一退三炮８平６
14. 车二进五马７退８
15. 炮四平三卒９进１
16. 车一进四马８进９
17. 车一平六马９进８
18. 炮三进四马３进５
19. 马三进五炮３进５
20. 炮三平七炮３退３
21. 炮六退三马８进６
22. 炮六平九炮３进３
23. 炮九进四士６进５
24. 车六平七马６进５
25. 相七进五炮３退４
26. 车七进二车６平１
27. 炮九退三车１进２
28. 炮九平五象３进５
29. 炮五平二车１平５
30. 炮二进三炮６退１[smmasing (12-5 22:51, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]52楼

(引用 smmasing:还是发文本好了此盘是内部比赛第3轮，我执黑与洪帮主的一盘棋，感觉我已经反先，无奈还是没有胜出，末局觉得红有机会胜出，可惜洪帮主没�...)Thanks for the records, I need to learn from you to keep proper records ....in future.

Yes, a draw is good enough for me, at

24. 车六平七

at least I can have a draw lah .....

Good to hear from 几度 and others, thanks.[棋人生 (12-5 23:44, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]53楼

(引用棋人生:分级循环赛曁棋艺水平单一分级制 is a good system ......after we used the system in 2006 (24 players in 3 groups) and 2007 (20 pla...)The 2007 Internal Competition Ranking before Phase 3 .....The Bishan EXCO last night discussed and agreed that after Phase 3, the 20 players will be divided under 4 levels (as in 2006) of 5 players each for the use by future internal compettions if needed, The ranking before Phase 3 as below :

[棋人生 (12-6 6:54, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]54楼

(引用卷心菜:另外消息卷心菜居住在联邦MRT旁，离波那维斯达CC和女皇镇CC距离分毫不差。而且由于是无合同非法租房，房东一声令下第二日就得搬离，明年3...)小卷应该属波那维斯达,热烈欢迎,您应该有宾至如归的感觉[棋仙 (12-6 13:58, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]55楼

(引用棋人生:The 2007 Internal Competition Ranking before Phase 3 .....The Bishan EXCO last night discussed and agreed that after Phase 3, th ...)only one Bishan Mind Sport Team ......(Registration wil be closed on 10 Dec)
from the Mind Sport Team event rules, team could be formed with all masters and grade 1s, the team standard could be as good as Lion City Cup Group A, i.e. better than Lee Bee Wah's Cup.

We have decided to send only one team as quite a few players are not free during the Dec holidays.

5 of the top 8 players of 2007 internal competition will join the team, in addition, we will include a few more players from those members who are not free to join the internal competition.

Hope we have better performance than as in Lee Bee Wah's Cup. [棋人生 (12-8 11:21, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]56楼

(引用棋人生:only one Bishan Mind Sport Team ......(Registration wil be closed on 10 Dec) from the Mind Sport Team event rules, team could be...)The team composition .....
We have maximum of 1 Grade 1 and 3 Grade 2s, others without grades, hope that our team can be in the Top 16 .... [棋人生 (12-9 11:22, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]57楼

(引用 smmasing:还是发文本好了此盘是内部比赛第3轮，我执黑与洪帮主的一盘棋，感觉我已经反先，无奈还是没有胜出，末局觉得红有机会胜出，可惜洪帮主没�...)评几天没有上来了，刚刚才看到你的对局。我今天头脑不大灵光，如果说错了请多多包涵。有些步可能有临场关系的影响，如果你自己说会更清楚一些。

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1. 炮八平五马８进７ 2. 马八进七车１进１
3. 车九平八马２进１ 4. 士四进五 …………

黑方精研单提马，每逢重要比赛往往采用，因此对手容易准备布局。红方补仕，大概是想避开谱着，但毕竟容易失先。同样补仕，似乎仕六进五，避免给对方控制帅门以及将来3路炮暗瞄底相，会稍好一些。

4. ………… 车１平６ 5. 马二进一 …………

仍可马二进三，以后有炮五平六、相三进五的调整，右翼较活。

5. ………… 卒１进１

因为红方慢了一步出子，巡河车带出边马是当然的反击。另外也有车6进4的考虑。

6. 车八进四 …………

巡河车容易被利用。多走车八进六。

6. ………… 车６进３ 7. 炮二平四 …………

如兵一进一，马1进2，马一进二，车6平4，黑方得子，红方的反击不成立。这就是补仕慢了一步的结果。

7. ………… 马１进２

可以车9平8等一手，红兵一进一，炮8平9，红方没有什么好棋走（车一平二、车八平二或炮四退二，都要损步），黑反先。

车9平8，兵一进一后，黑不能立刻马1进2，因为马一进二，车6平8，车八平四，黑不能炮8进3（红接走炮四平二得先）。

车9平8后，红大概要走车八平二，则黑可以马1进2（同实战），也可以有卒3进1的考虑。

8. 车八平二马２进３

避免红兵七进一疏通。也可以考虑炮2平3。

9. 炮五平六 …………

卸炮显然亏步失先，但为什么卸炮？红七路马相虽然有问题，但不需要立刻解决。红卸炮的真正原因是右车难出，需要走相三进五。这着红通常走炮四退二，较为坚实，但不如炮五平六灵活，可以说各有千秋吧。

9. ………… 车９平８ 10. 兵一进一炮２平３

也可以卒3进1，保留炮2平3或炮2进4、进6的权利，红如车二平八，黑炮8平9即可。

11. 相三进五炮８退１

不能马3进5，因为红马七退九得子。这着黑如走象7进5等一手，，是准备残局扩先的下法。

12. 炮六进六 …………

必然，如果让黑炮8平3，红立刻有麻烦。

12. ………… 卒９进１

看来是缓着。平稳的走法是象7进5，积极的走法是卒5进1。另外也可以考虑炮8进3，以后车6平4后有炮8平5的机会。

13. 马一退三 …………

虽然通车，但从后面的发展看，三路马成为一个新的问题，仍然被动。这步棋应该车二平六，伏车六进三和马一进二两步抢先手段，可以解脱。以下黑如马3退2，车六平八，卒9进1，车八平一，黑仍先手，但红方抗衡机会很多。

红如兵一进一，则炮8平9，变化复杂，但红都不利。试举两变：

1）车一平二，炮9进6，车二进五，马7退8，车二进九，马3进5，相三进五，炮9平5，帅五平四，炮3进5，黑优。

2）车二进五，马7退8，马一进二，车6平4，车一平四，车4退3，炮四平二，马8进9，兵一进一，马9退7（也可炮9进2，马二进一，车4平8），马二进三，马7进5，黑方多子占优。

13. ………… 炮８平６ 14. 车二进五马７退８
15. 炮四平三卒９进１

让红顺利出车，总是不理想。可考虑车6进4，炮六退七，车6退3，车一平二，马8进7，兵一进一，炮6平3，黑弃边卒后右翼有先手。

16. 车一进四马８进９ 17. 车一平六 …………

或可炮六平七，卒3进1（车6进4，车一退三，以后有炮三平四困车，仍然复杂），再车一平六。

17. ………… 马９进８

可走车6平4，车六进一，马3退4，炮六平七，炮3平5，黑可望多卒占优。

18. 炮三进四 …………

仍可炮六平七较稳。

18. ………… 马３进５

踩相先得实惠，也可以考虑马3退2，车六退二，炮6平5，炮三平七，炮3进5，车六平七，炮5进5，黑方胜势。

19. 马三进五炮３进５ 20. 炮三平七炮３退３

如炮6平5，炮六平七，红得子后黑攻不进。但这着不如炮6进1，以后有炮6平5或平9。另外黑如车6进2也是优势。

21. 炮六退三马８进６ 22. 炮六平九炮３进３

红抓住机会吃掉边卒，在残局的争夺中扳回了一点。黑这步进炮作用不大，总要走车6退2，以后有炮3平5的攻势，不怕红接走炮九进四，因黑弃士并无大碍。试演如下：

车6退2，兵五进一，炮3平9，马五进四，车6进3，炮九退一，车6进1，车六进二，车6平7，车六平五，炮6平5，黑优。

23. 炮九进四士６进５ 24. 车六平七 …………

如走兵九进一，双方都有争胜机会。

24. ………… 马６进５

较精确的次序是炮3退4，车七进二，车6平1，炮九退三，象3进5，黑方不难谋和。

25. 相七进五炮３退４ 26. 车七进二车６平１
27. 炮九退三车１进２ 28. 炮九平五 …………

如车七平五，红还有一点胜望。例如黑炮6进1，帅五平四，炮6平5，车五平三，象7进9，炮九平五，车1平5，车三平四，车5退3，车四平五，形成车兵单缺相对炮士象全。

28. ………… 象３进５ 29. 炮五平二车１平５
30. 炮二进三炮６退１

红既然不能保留双兵，缺相不宜久缠；黑方没有卒，车炮虽能骚扰但不够取胜，因此双方兑子成和。

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[几度 (12-10 18:47, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]58楼

(引用几度:评几天没有上来了，刚刚才看到你的对局。我今天头脑不大灵光，如果说错了请多多包涵。有些步可能有临场关系的影响，如果你自己说会更清楚...)Thanks for the review, and .......
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http://bbs.huasing.org/wap/xbbs.php?B=123_10971380[棋人生 (12-11 7:50, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]59楼

(引用几度:评几天没有上来了，刚刚才看到你的对局。我今天头脑不大灵光，如果说错了请多多包涵。有些步可能有临场关系的影响，如果你自己说会更清楚...)多谢几度分析，22回合炮3进3确实走软。[smmasing (12-11 10:48, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]60楼