(引用 棋一生:布局失先，多次死里逃生，义顺南痛失夺标机会！！！邱冠杰先和王英再
邱君开局不落俗套，没几个回合已大占先手，中局又将计就计，又�
...)对明花暗柳这局开局的三句话点评
[一刀n断 (9-22 16:55, Long long ago)]
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(引用 几度:试评这局近来较忙，因此不能很仔细地研究这盘棋。接下来可能更忙了，应该是更没有时间，所以就现在贴出来吧。如有错误，请大家指正。
...)28着28着，黑如炮8进7，车一平二，车2平8，似乎可下，或许是这个局面摆脱下风的解着吧！
[几度 (9-26 20:54, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋一生:布局失先，多次死里逃生，义顺南痛失夺标机会！！！邱冠杰先和王英再
邱君开局不落俗套，没几个回合已大占先手，中局又将计就计，又�
...)some views :)Work is boring so decide to take a tiny break haha :P
It is obvious that number 8th move ma3+2 is no good and obviously the next move pawn 7 plus one is the killer move for the whole game.The most wan2 qiang2 is move 10 black pao2+3,red che9ping8 from here there are 2 variations.
Firstly black pao2+2, red che8+2,black ma2+3, red che12,black che98,red che2+5, blackma3+5,red xiang7+5,black pao8ping9, red che 2jin3, ( if red che23,black che1+2,red pawn3+1, black che8+7,red ma3+4,black che16,red ma4+5,black pao9+4! black is in good attacking position) black ma7-8 ,red che8jin4, black xiang3+5, redche85, black pawn7+1,red ma9+7 red has slight advantage
Secondly, black pawn3+1, red pawn7+1,black ma2+4, red che8+4, black che1+2, red pawn7+1, black che14, redche87(or else black ma4+3 free car),black che 98,red pao56, black ma4-6, red shi6+5, black pao8+5,red xiang7+5,black pawn 7+1 black's position is quite good though red has a over river pawn but red's car cannot come out. black can play
[xiaobeidou (9-29 16:02, Long long ago)]
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(引用 几度:试评这局近来较忙，因此不能很仔细地研究这盘棋。接下来可能更忙了，应该是更没有时间，所以就现在贴出来吧。如有错误，请大家指正。
...)some views :)i feel that che9+1 is not very good the movement of the car is abit slow and might be taken advantage. Consider pao 89 should be better. red's pawn 3 + 1 also has abit of a problem as well should move che9+1 instead.
i have slightly different views from ji3du4
i feel that the more important move lies in move 7. sacrificing the Pawn 5 + 1 has some problems. Should pao 5 + 4 , If red che 63, black ma7+5 blacks pieces move out quickly black is slightly better.
i feel that if move 10 black che 96, red pao87, blackma5+6, red ma9-7! (think black faces abit of a problem.) (if black pao 8 + 1, red che6 + 1)( if ma3+5, red pao74, black ma5+6,red pao24!)
But i do think that move 7 che6+3 is better than the game played
[xiaobeidou (9-29 17:22, Long long ago)]
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(引用 几度:28着28着，黑如炮8进7，车一平二，车2平8，似乎可下，或许是这个局面摆脱下风的解着吧！ )some thoughts? [xiaobeidou (9-30 10:48, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]45楼
(引用 xiaobeidou:some views :)i feel that che9+1 is not very good the movement of the car is abit slow and might be taken advantage. Consider pao...)After H9-7Move 10 Black changed to r9=6, C8=7, h5+6, H9-7, can Black p3+1, C7+3, c8=3, C2=4, r6=8? Next to have r8+7, r2+8, or if Red R6=4, h6+5.
[几度 (10-1 1:39, Long long ago)]
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(引用 几度:After H9-7Move 10 Black changed to r9=6, C8=7, h5+6, H9-7, can Black p3+1, C7+3, c8=3, C2=4, r6=8? Next to have r8+7, r2+8, or i...)erm.....hehe sorry i'm at home now so can type chinese :P
红马9退7，黑卒3进1，红炮7进3，黑炮8平3，红炮2平4，黑车6平8，红车6平4，黑马6进5，红马7进5，黑车8进7，红炮6+3，黑士4进5，红炮4平5，黑车2进5，红马8进6！（下步假如车2平5，红马4进3踩双车）
红棋多子大占优势，恩有漏的话请多指教。[xiaobeidou (10-1 11:46, Long long ago)]
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(引用 xiaobeidou:erm.....hehe sorry i'm at home now so can type chinese :P 红马9退7，黑卒3进1，红炮7进3，黑炮8平3，红炮2平4，黑车6平8，红车6平4，...)hehe abit of mistakes :P should be 马2+4and炮4+3:P[xiaobeidou (10-1 11:57, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]48楼
(引用 xiaobeidou:erm.....hehe sorry i'm at home now so can type chinese :P
红马9退7，黑卒3进1，红炮7进3，黑炮8平3，红炮2平4，黑车6平8，红车6平4，...)Maybe notI don't really have time to analyze right now because of going out for work soon, but perhaps after 红马9退7，黑卒3进1，红炮7进3，黑炮8平3，红炮2平4，黑车6平8，红车6平4，黑马6进5，红马7进5，黑车8进7，红炮4+3，Black can c5+5, E7+5, c3+4, C4=5, k5+1, next to r2+8, it might still be a complicated situation.
[几度 (10-1 13:47, Long long ago)]
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(引用 几度:Maybe notI don't really have time to analyze right now because of going out for work soon, but perhaps after 红马9退7，黑卒3进1�...)true i saw tht bian as well but still red has more pieces and centre canon hencealot easier to play than black i would say black stands little chance unless red makes a suicidal move though the scenario is complicated。
one suggestion on the bianhua would be 炮3+4，马2进4，车8+8，马4进5，车2平4，马5退7！ (假如黑棋下步车4平3，红车1平4！红棋胜定) in a nutshell i think red is still at quite big advantage though it is 对攻。 i would appreciate some suggestions thanks :) [xiaobeidou (10-1 19:07, Long long ago)]
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