(引用 Haishan:半夜如果到不了130会调整卖价，以出为目标。 今天换了新手机，已经很高兴了。)不作下降通道的，趋势不能想当然，如同离岸人民币，趋势破掉就会拐头[lgland (12-30 23:09, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]41楼

报告楼主看样子还没到底啊
估计会破百 　[本文发送自华新手机Wap版] [随便转转 (1-3 23:02, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]42楼

(引用 Haishan:半夜如果到不了130会调整卖价，以出为目标。 今天换了新手机，已经很高兴了。)这大姐有个特点但凡提前说出了买入价的（不管真的买了没有），大部分结局都是暴跌。

相反，那些号称持仓价格很低的买入价，基本之前都没提前说过。而是在已经确定盘前大涨的情况下 突然冒出一句自己已经提前重仓布局。 　[本文发送自华新手机Wap版] [seangoh (1-3 23:12, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]43楼

(引用 seangoh:这大姐有个特点但凡提前说出了买入价的（不管真的买了没有），大部分结局都是暴跌。 相反，那些号称持仓价格很低的买入价，基本之前都没...)别问问就是已经抄底，或者已经逃顶，反正就是赢麻了。[yhtxc (1-3 23:14, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]44楼

昨晚跌的六亲不认了首富又食言减持套现了？ 　[本文发送自华新iOS APP] [jurongntu (1-4 9:17, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]45楼

(引用 Haishan:左侧？还是右侧？开市前多想几个点： 1. 特斯拉的性质：如果觉得它是个金融工具，可以买；如果按照企业来看，不能买。 2. 左侧还是右侧：...)The way you talk shows you are a speculator, but not an investor on TESLA stockAnd being a speculator(a neutral word) is totally fine. However, I think it's best to get a few things clear first before one takes a short term (intraday or position trade for a few days) bet on a very wild stock:

1) Left side(downtrend) or right side(uptrend)?
While it really depends! For the same stock, it could be uptrend on 1 min chart, downtrend on 15 min chart, uptrend on hourly chart, up trend again on daily chart, and downtrend on weekly chart... It is your trading time frame that really decides whether the stock is currently uptrend or downtrend. Therefore, decide your trading time frame first, then go to your respective chart and see how the stock is trending in that time frame.

2) entry and exit signal
everyone has his own defined entry and exit signal for stock market. Maybe it is an important support and resistance price level in a particular time frame; Or it could be some fancy charting signals; Or it could be some news or rumors; Or it could be big house analysts report updates; Or it may be some important corporation results and announcements trigger. And I believe all these trading signals are making sense, as long as it is proven in the long run with some convincing winning statistics. But try not to speculate base on "gut feelings" or "guessing", it is unstainable since it involves too much emotion. Lastly, try to make the trading signal easy to follow and understand.

3) money management
For me, money management is and should be a simple formula:
winning rate * gains per trade - losing rate * loss per trade > 0
(winning rate + losing rate = 100%
also gain per trade and loss per trade must deduct all trading fees)

Looks easy, but how to achieve it? the part 2 mentioned above comes into play, meaning after defining your trading system, you should be able to find how much money you will win per trade, and how much you can lose per trade, both in dollar term, and then you should do at least 100 or 200 trades to find your winning rate. It should be a sustained winning system if the equation greater than 0, and vice versa. And from experience, the winning rate is not that important, it is the combination of the three (winning rate and gains per trade and loss per trade) that really matters. Therefore, defining your profit target and stop loss level become extremely important.

4) get familiar with the stocks you play
generally speaking, the more volatile the stock, the better it is for speculating or short term trading, since at least it moves and give one opportunity to make(lose) money. Thus one should know the behavior of the particular stock that you trade, eg: the important price level of that stock, the daily trading range, daily volume, when XD, when results will be released, how is the stock option behaving, and market sentiment of the day.

Here we are not talking about investment. I am only sharing the short term trading experience that I have had before. If you ask me, I can't remember much about my winning trades. But I will never forget all the big losing trade that I have ever incurred, and below are the only two reasons why speculators LOSE BIG on certain trades:
1 didn't cut initial small loss (if you really have this stop loss level)
2 keep averaging down (if you long) or keep averaging up (if you short) until blow the account
[pymess (1-4 11:59, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]46楼

(引用 pymess:The way you talk shows you are a speculator, but not an investor on TESLA stockAnd being a speculator(a neutral word) is totally...)终于等到有质量的回复了！谢谢！是的，正在做投机练习，还没有摸索出自己的交易系统。
没有杠杆，看错就硬撑，止损自己扛。
我有长期投资，最近的分红已经值回本金，但是依然对短线好奇。
长线投资放进去后只能等，短线投资可以提升大脑的思考强度，能从赤裸裸的刀光剑影中拼杀出来，无论成败，获得的感受对长线都有帮助。
[Haishan (1-4 12:35, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]47楼

(引用 jurongntu:昨晚跌的六亲不认了首富又食言减持套现了？)卧槽。到底是为啥啊？

[亚马逊第一 (1-4 14:17, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]48楼

(引用 亚马逊第一:卧槽。到底是为啥啊？ ...)EV bubbleSince Nov 2021

$TSLA IS DOWN 75%

$LCID IS DOWN 90%

$RIVN IS DOWN 90%

$NIO IS DOWN 90%

$FSR IS DOWN 70%

$ARVL IS DOWN 95%

$RIDE IS DOWN 95% 　[本文发送自华新手机Wap版] [匿名小ID (1-4 14:22, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]49楼

(引用 亚马逊第一:卧槽。到底是为啥啊？ ...)新能源汽车护城河看的是
电池 电机 无人驾驶技术

所以byd 宁德 才是最大的赢家
其他的都不过是昙花一现。

tesla比其他几个好的是还有自动驾驶和AI机器人能翻盘，
[x4 (1-4 14:28, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]50楼

(引用 x4:新能源汽车护城河看的是 电池 电机 无人驾驶技术 所以byd 宁德 才是最大的赢家 其他的都不过是昙花一现。 tesla比其他几个好的是还有自)在美国也许成立，在A股不成立[lgland (1-4 15:23, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]51楼

(引用 jurongntu:昨晚跌的六亲不认了首富又食言减持套现了？)木头姐变成了铁头姐看着像是豪赌
　[本文发送自华新iOS APP] [jurongntu (1-4 18:03, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]52楼

(引用 jurongntu:木头姐变成了铁头姐看着像是豪赌 ...)先跌到$70 　[本文发送自华新iOS APP] [AY3991 (1-4 21:15, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]53楼

(引用 jurongntu:木头姐变成了铁头姐看着像是豪赌 ...)这家伙拿着投资人的钱在豪赌arkk规模小的时候，赌对了特斯拉，给投资人挣了点小钱，规模大了，就开始猛亏钱。

我觉得这种主动管理的基金真不能买，类似于把钱交给别人上赌场。[yhtxc (1-4 21:50, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]54楼

(引用 yhtxc:这家伙拿着投资人的钱在豪赌arkk规模小的时候，赌对了特斯拉，给投资人挣了点小钱，规模大了，就开始猛亏钱。 我觉得这种主动管理的基金...)以前投过基金后来发现基金管理费养了一群站在市场与投资人之间的“闲人”，他们是旱涝保收的。
与其让他们下场，不如自己下场，至少输、赢、死、活都明白。[Haishan (1-4 22:03, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]55楼

(引用 Haishan:以前投过基金后来发现基金管理费养了一群站在市场与投资人之间的“闲人”，他们是旱涝保收的。 与其让他们下场，不如自己下场，至少输、�...)问题就是出在这个旱涝保收上面拿着投资人的钱，赌赢了就大肆吹嘘，盲目扩大规模。赌输了，管理费照收不误。主动性基金，管理费一般都在1%以上，10亿规模的话，一年管理费就1000w，简直就是在抢钱。[yhtxc (1-4 22:31, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]56楼

(引用 yhtxc:问题就是出在这个旱涝保收上面拿着投资人的钱，赌赢了就大肆吹嘘，盲目扩大规模。赌输了，管理费照收不误。主动性基金，管理费一般都在1%...)盈利高的话还有抽成有些会抽20%[Haishan (1-4 22:35, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]57楼

仔细看了特斯拉的K线和成交量，下跌放量了，应该是好事，至少资金已经有所分歧，
但要先止跌，然后企稳，还有看第一波攻击的力度[lgland (1-4 22:57, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]58楼

题外话三傻组合，一直都是NIO长持，小鹏炒短。
昨晚一念之差，短线换成了理想，根据今天的表现，理想不太理想，小鹏胜出。
这一波跑路后，还是要换回小鹏。
[Haishan (1-4 23:41, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]59楼

(引用 Haishan:题外话三傻组合，一直都是NIO长持，小鹏炒短。 昨晚一念之差，短线换成了理想，根据今天的表现，理想不太理想，小鹏胜出。 这一波跑路后�...)小鹏现在涨幅11.25%，理想只有5.29%一念之差，差的挺多的。[Haishan (1-4 23:44, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]60楼