专栏，棋讯，对局等综合网测试
冰封万市何惧寒
旧事前尘化云烟
唯有菜香扑鼻来
有了菜，就有了希望~~~
专栏，棋讯，对局等综合网测试
冰封万市何惧寒
旧事前尘化云烟
唯有菜香扑鼻来
有了菜，就有了希望~~~
是啊 您的建议很中肯不过我有几点要补充或者说明一下=)
这个新的网站的link中的meteor一词没记错的话是卷心菜家的老板的网名？哈哈 这个网站应该是华新给予某些内部用户(可能就是卷心菜家的老板)的网络站点吧？ 所以借用这个站点 应该与“流星”“不长久”没多大必然联系 其中细节还是卷心菜阐明一下 或者看看能不能找到一个更适当的link？ 我也觉得换成 xiangqi.huasing.org比较好 因为目前的主站qi.huasing.org还同时包罗其它棋类 子站只对象棋 名字具有内容性和针对性比较好
另外 “悟入棋途”的名字 前段时间也讨论过了有没有选择改成更合适的名字 可是一方面像几度所说 这个名字用了五年多了 有了一定品牌效应和影响力 虽然跟“误入歧途”谐音 容易误解 可是另一方面想 或许大家说顺口了或者词义特殊反倒更方面记忆和宣传 尤记得中国有种止泻的药 叫“泻停封”虽然跟谢霆锋谐音 还被告打了官司 可是品牌却很响亮了 哈哈
另外 对是否给棋人生开专栏 我觉得可以从棋会角度考虑 既然他的专栏内容以碧山棋会消息为主 不如算作碧山棋会专栏 至于名字叫“碧山棋会专栏”好呢还是叫“棋人生专栏”好呢 可再做研究 另外如果其他棋会需要专栏并且有专人维护更新 也可以增添其上 比如“文礼棋会专栏”如 (more...)
可以发挥民主，网友投票。
参照中国象棋大师网，汕头棋院，广东象棋网的叫法，此版可叫：狮城棋坛，然而又较死板。
“悟入棋途”
“棋乐无穷”
“棋海无涯”
还有其他，各有所长，难以决策。
“悟入棋途”
“棋乐无穷”
“棋海无涯”
还有其他，各有所长，难以决策。
欣闻卷心菜君新开发了个网站，我不才有点小意见.........新网站取名 meteor.huasing.org 是个很好的尝试，我个人的看法是这样的：meteor 一字的字面意义是：流星，陨星，或 “hence,anything that dazzles or excites wonder for the moment",for the moment 意味着不长久，是否象征着这个网站只是短暂性，那就另当别论。例如 “悟入棋途" 也是很容易被理解为 “ 误入歧途"的。我只是觉得这个字的取意有待斟酌，我也是贵网站的读者，本着爱护本版的爱心才有感即言，绝对不敢冒犯版主，多多得罪。
我在此也建议可用两个版本:(1) xqinfo.huasing.org 给发放象棋界讯息 （棋人生的招牌）[ xq 是 xiangqi 的缩写]；（2）xqbank.huasing.org ( 例如 dpxq 的东萍象棋棋库一样，在这里只是棋艺的探讨，棋力的提升，不谈棋界讯息，棋坛政治的）（棋一生，几度 的招牌）。
同时，我个人（不代表任何团体/组织）也反对给棋人生开个专栏，专栏是开放给受人尊崇的人的。君不见，君不闻最近华新网给搞到鸡犬不宁，满城风雨，始作俑者又是谁呢？一人的声音，引起百人千人的讨伐，我觉得是在浪费贵网站的版位，还是有如版主所云人气旺盛呢？
至于有人提问是否恰当会长？碧山象棋会理事诸公自有主张，我们外人不好置评� (more...)
正如一刀所言，这个meteor是五年前买的
正如一刀所言，meteor.huasing.org是我五年前买的，作为存放个人资料用，出门出国不用带电脑。当然现在电脑技术发展很快，一个小小的thumbdrive就能存几个G的文件，携带也很方便。所以连我自己都忘了有这么个东西。
直到昨天“吕大侠”出现，吕大侠在测试java棋盘时，大概对论坛的旧帖进行了搜索，发现了当时我放象棋软件时用的网站，而间接提醒了我其实现在手头上有资源把悟入棋途论坛上的精华贴做到一个简洁明了的网上方便大家。
由于5年前买的是meteor.huasing.org（meteor跟象棋无关，流星只是一个代表浪漫的意思），所以暂时我只能创建一个子(sub)目录meteor.huasing.org/qi。
1.可能可以向华新购买xiangqi.huasing.org，或说服华新工作组友情赞助给悟入棋途论坛。
2.我本身并不会做网页，简单的搞一下还可以，以后需要悟入棋途的高手们帮忙。吕大侠是网页高手，不过其肩负着象总官网重建的艰巨任务。所以这里抛砖引玉，希望更多高手能来。
3.各项资料，无论是象总官网的还是悟入棋途网的，都需要棋友提供。最简单的，先从棋手名录开始，需要新加坡大师甲级乙级的全部棋手名单。（这样一刀n断就不会搞错到底他砍过几个大师几个甲级了，哈哈）
4.时间。时间是个问题。这年头，看来大家都很忙。
直到昨天“吕大侠”出现，吕大侠在测试java棋盘时，大概对论坛的旧帖进行了搜索，发现了当时我放象棋软件时用的网站，而间接提醒了我其实现在手头上有资源把悟入棋途论坛上的精华贴做到一个简洁明了的网上方便大家。
由于5年前买的是meteor.huasing.org（meteor跟象棋无关，流星只是一个代表浪漫的意思），所以暂时我只能创建一个子(sub)目录meteor.huasing.org/qi。
1.可能可以向华新购买xiangqi.huasing.org，或说服华新工作组友情赞助给悟入棋途论坛。
2.我本身并不会做网页，简单的搞一下还可以，以后需要悟入棋途的高手们帮忙。吕大侠是网页高手，不过其肩负着象总官网重建的艰巨任务。所以这里抛砖引玉，希望更多高手能来。
3.各项资料，无论是象总官网的还是悟入棋途网的，都需要棋友提供。最简单的，先从棋手名录开始，需要新加坡大师甲级乙级的全部棋手名单。（这样一刀n断就不会搞错到底他砍过几个大师几个甲级了，哈哈）
4.时间。时间是个问题。这年头，看来大家都很忙。
一个印度人说了象棋是起源与印度
wikipedia 维基百科全书上专家写的象棋history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiangqi#History
Xiangqi has a long history. Though its precise origins have not yet been definitely confirmed, the earliest indications reveal the game may have been played as early as the 4th century BC, by Tian Wen (田文), the Lord of Mengchang (孟嘗君) for the state of Qi, during the Warring States Period. (See chess in early literature or timeline of chess.) Judging by its rules, Xiangqi was apparently closely related to military strategists in ancient China. The ancient Chinese game of Liubo may have had an influence as well.
The word Xiàngqí's meaning "figure game" can also be treated as meaning "constellation game". Sometimes the xiàngqí board's "river" is called the "heavenly river", which may mean the Milky Way; previous versions of xiàngqí may have been based on the movements of sky objects.
During the Spring and Autumn Period and the Warring States Period, wars were fought for years running. A new strategy board game was patterned after the array of troops (according to a hypothesis by David H. Li, this was developed by Han Xin in the winter of 204 BC-203 BC to prepare for an upcoming battle). This was the earliest form of Xiangqi.
During the Cao Wei, Jin and Northern and Southern Dynasties, a kind of strategy game was popular among the people. It laid a foundation for the finalized pattern of Xiangqi. In ancient times, both highbrows and lowbrows enjoyed Xiangqi.
During the reign of Suzong of the Tang Dynasty, Prime Minister Niu Sengru wrote a fictional story about Xiangqi. That occurred during the Baoying period, so it was named Baoying. Baoying had six pieces and produced a significant influence on Xiangqi in subsequent years.
Three forms of the game took shape after the Song Dynasty. One of them consisted of 32 pieces. They were played on a board with 9 vertical lines and 9 horizontal lines. Popular in those days was a board without a river borderline; the Korean game of janggi is derived from this earlier riverless version. The river borderline was added later, and this form of the game has lasted to the present day.
With the economic and cultural development during the Qing Dynasty, Xiangqi entered a new stage. Many different schools of circles and players came into prominence. With the popularization of Xiangqi, many books and manuals on the techniques of playing the game were published. They played an important role in popularizing Xiangqi and improving the techniques of play in modern times.
Xiangqi has a long history. Though its precise origins have not yet been definitely confirmed, the earliest indications reveal the game may have been played as early as the 4th century BC, by Tian Wen (田文), the Lord of Mengchang (孟嘗君) for the state of Qi, during the Warring States Period. (See chess in early literature or timeline of chess.) Judging by its rules, Xiangqi was apparently closely related to military strategists in ancient China. The ancient Chinese game of Liubo may have had an influence as well.
The word Xiàngqí's meaning "figure game" can also be treated as meaning "constellation game". Sometimes the xiàngqí board's "river" is called the "heavenly river", which may mean the Milky Way; previous versions of xiàngqí may have been based on the movements of sky objects.
During the Spring and Autumn Period and the Warring States Period, wars were fought for years running. A new strategy board game was patterned after the array of troops (according to a hypothesis by David H. Li, this was developed by Han Xin in the winter of 204 BC-203 BC to prepare for an upcoming battle). This was the earliest form of Xiangqi.
During the Cao Wei, Jin and Northern and Southern Dynasties, a kind of strategy game was popular among the people. It laid a foundation for the finalized pattern of Xiangqi. In ancient times, both highbrows and lowbrows enjoyed Xiangqi.
During the reign of Suzong of the Tang Dynasty, Prime Minister Niu Sengru wrote a fictional story about Xiangqi. That occurred during the Baoying period, so it was named Baoying. Baoying had six pieces and produced a significant influence on Xiangqi in subsequent years.
Three forms of the game took shape after the Song Dynasty. One of them consisted of 32 pieces. They were played on a board with 9 vertical lines and 9 horizontal lines. Popular in those days was a board without a river borderline; the Korean game of janggi is derived from this earlier riverless version. The river borderline was added later, and this form of the game has lasted to the present day.
With the economic and cultural development during the Qing Dynasty, Xiangqi entered a new stage. Many different schools of circles and players came into prominence. With the popularization of Xiangqi, many books and manuals on the techniques of playing the game were published. They played an important role in popularizing Xiangqi and improving the techniques of play in modern times.
一个印度人说了象棋是起源与印度
一个外国人Peter Donnelly写的象棋历史（同源观点学说）
http://mysite.verizon.net/res1bup4/chess_intro.htm#history
All forms of chess are thought to have a common ancestor, but the dating and placing of the prototypical game are contentious. Following the lead of the chess historian H.J.R. Murray (whose scholarship may have been wider than it was deep), it has frequently been asserted that chess originated in India as chaturanga around the middle of the first millenium CE. Others, citing the lack of direct literary or archaeological evidence for chess in India at that time, point to Persia or some part of central Asia. The only thing known for certain is that an early form of the game was known in Persia by the seventh century. Called shatranj, it was played on a board identical to that used in modern Western chess, and with the same configuration of pieces, although some of the moves were more limited.
Chess spread westward through the Islamic world until it arrived in Europe in the Middle Ages. At the same time, it travelled into China and thence to Japan, where it took a very distinct form as shogi. There is also a Korean version very similar to the Chinese one. (Further south, the chess of Thailand, which is holding its own as a national pastime, appears to be on a different evolutionary branch.) By the end of the Song dynasty (960-1279), the modern Chinese game was fully developed.
Some authorities insist that China is the birthplace of chess. If this is so, the game must have been exported very early in its development, because the present Chinese game is an obvious improvement on chaturanga/shatranj. What seems more likely is that the prototypical chess converged with one or more native Chinese games. The modern game may even contain traces of an ancient system of divination in which pieces representing celestial bodies were moved about a map of the cosmos, divided by the Milky Way. The Milky Way is called a river by the Chinese, and the chessboard, as we shall see, has a river running through it. Charles Kliene gives more evidence of this association in the highly entertaining Preface to his Seven Stars: A Chinese Chess Variation with Three Hundred Endings. See also Joseph Needhams Science and Civilization in China, vol. 4 pt. 1, pp. 314 ff, and H.J.R. Murrays A History of Chess (1913), p. 122.
Even the name of the game may suggest a connection with some type of astrological tablet. Qi means a strategy game, and xiang is the character that appears on the so-called elephants of the black side. (The equivalent red pieces are called by a homonym that signifies "adviser" or "augur".) Like so many Chinese words, xiang has several meanings: it can indeed mean "elephant", but it might equally refer to the ivory from which some sets are made, or it might signify "image" or "symbol" or even (according to Mathews Chinese-English Dictionary) "star" or "heavenly body". Thus xiangqi might be translated "celestial game". "Elephant game" is a possible translation, but it does not seem apt, given the very limited role of the elephant in play; unless the name simply suggests the game's Indian origins.
It is interesting to compare the evolution of chess in China and the West. The game of chaturanga/shatranj suffered from several weaknesses, and these weaknesses were remedied in very different ways, as follows:
The pawns in the original game were slow to come into contact with the enemy. In Western chess, this problem was solved by allowing the pawns their initial two-step move. The Chinese solution was to set up the pawns in a forward position.
The original game suffered from a lack of mobile attacking forces. Among the major pieces, only the rook and knight had their modern moves. The bishop moved just two squares diagonally, the queen just one. In the West, this problem was solved first by extending the move of the bishop, then finally during the Renaissance by the unleashing of the modern queen -- delightfully called in Italian the dama rabiosa. In China, the queen and bishop became if anything weaker than in chaturanga/shatranj, but two powerful new mobile pieces, the cannons, were added. Moreover, reducing the number of pawns to five opened up files for the rapid deployment of the rooks.
Games of chaturanga/shatranj that reached the endgame must often have ended in a draw, because the pawn only promoted to the weak queen. In the West, the extension of the powers of the queen made it easier to enforce checkmate in the endgame. In China, the approach was very different: the king was confined to a small part of the board, making him easier to pin down, and the pawns were promoted earlier, being granted lateral movement as soon as they passed the river at the centre of the board. In addition, the king was given the extraordinary power of striking across the board like a rook against the opposing king, making it easier to checkmate with just a few pieces left on the board.
An important part of the games history is the development of the problem. Unlike Western chess problems of the "black to move and mate in three" variety, xiangqi problems (perhaps more accurately called studies) usually offer one side an easy forced win, given the first move, but can also be won by the other side if the advantage is reversed. Charles Kliene has documented one such ending, and gives a colourful description of the hustlers (, which translates as something like "powers of chess layout") who would set up such jeux partis at the side of the road and challenge all comers. Evidently this custom is still alive today.
All forms of chess are thought to have a common ancestor, but the dating and placing of the prototypical game are contentious. Following the lead of the chess historian H.J.R. Murray (whose scholarship may have been wider than it was deep), it has frequently been asserted that chess originated in India as chaturanga around the middle of the first millenium CE. Others, citing the lack of direct literary or archaeological evidence for chess in India at that time, point to Persia or some part of central Asia. The only thing known for certain is that an early form of the game was known in Persia by the seventh century. Called shatranj, it was played on a board identical to that used in modern Western chess, and with the same configuration of pieces, although some of the moves were more limited.
Chess spread westward through the Islamic world until it arrived in Europe in the Middle Ages. At the same time, it travelled into China and thence to Japan, where it took a very distinct form as shogi. There is also a Korean version very similar to the Chinese one. (Further south, the chess of Thailand, which is holding its own as a national pastime, appears to be on a different evolutionary branch.) By the end of the Song dynasty (960-1279), the modern Chinese game was fully developed.
Some authorities insist that China is the birthplace of chess. If this is so, the game must have been exported very early in its development, because the present Chinese game is an obvious improvement on chaturanga/shatranj. What seems more likely is that the prototypical chess converged with one or more native Chinese games. The modern game may even contain traces of an ancient system of divination in which pieces representing celestial bodies were moved about a map of the cosmos, divided by the Milky Way. The Milky Way is called a river by the Chinese, and the chessboard, as we shall see, has a river running through it. Charles Kliene gives more evidence of this association in the highly entertaining Preface to his Seven Stars: A Chinese Chess Variation with Three Hundred Endings. See also Joseph Needhams Science and Civilization in China, vol. 4 pt. 1, pp. 314 ff, and H.J.R. Murrays A History of Chess (1913), p. 122.
Even the name of the game may suggest a connection with some type of astrological tablet. Qi means a strategy game, and xiang is the character that appears on the so-called elephants of the black side. (The equivalent red pieces are called by a homonym that signifies "adviser" or "augur".) Like so many Chinese words, xiang has several meanings: it can indeed mean "elephant", but it might equally refer to the ivory from which some sets are made, or it might signify "image" or "symbol" or even (according to Mathews Chinese-English Dictionary) "star" or "heavenly body". Thus xiangqi might be translated "celestial game". "Elephant game" is a possible translation, but it does not seem apt, given the very limited role of the elephant in play; unless the name simply suggests the game's Indian origins.
It is interesting to compare the evolution of chess in China and the West. The game of chaturanga/shatranj suffered from several weaknesses, and these weaknesses were remedied in very different ways, as follows:
The pawns in the original game were slow to come into contact with the enemy. In Western chess, this problem was solved by allowing the pawns their initial two-step move. The Chinese solution was to set up the pawns in a forward position.
The original game suffered from a lack of mobile attacking forces. Among the major pieces, only the rook and knight had their modern moves. The bishop moved just two squares diagonally, the queen just one. In the West, this problem was solved first by extending the move of the bishop, then finally during the Renaissance by the unleashing of the modern queen -- delightfully called in Italian the dama rabiosa. In China, the queen and bishop became if anything weaker than in chaturanga/shatranj, but two powerful new mobile pieces, the cannons, were added. Moreover, reducing the number of pawns to five opened up files for the rapid deployment of the rooks.
Games of chaturanga/shatranj that reached the endgame must often have ended in a draw, because the pawn only promoted to the weak queen. In the West, the extension of the powers of the queen made it easier to enforce checkmate in the endgame. In China, the approach was very different: the king was confined to a small part of the board, making him easier to pin down, and the pawns were promoted earlier, being granted lateral movement as soon as they passed the river at the centre of the board. In addition, the king was given the extraordinary power of striking across the board like a rook against the opposing king, making it easier to checkmate with just a few pieces left on the board.
An important part of the games history is the development of the problem. Unlike Western chess problems of the "black to move and mate in three" variety, xiangqi problems (perhaps more accurately called studies) usually offer one side an easy forced win, given the first move, but can also be won by the other side if the advantage is reversed. Charles Kliene has documented one such ending, and gives a colourful description of the hustlers (, which translates as something like "powers of chess layout") who would set up such jeux partis at the side of the road and challenge all comers. Evidently this custom is still alive today.
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