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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-09-29 17:02:05  楼主  关注此帖评分:
报名时间延长至10月11日,比赛时间为10月18,19日。
10月19日下午二时在怡和轩一对十蒙目表演赛 .....
象棋特级大师柳大华于10月19日星期日下午二时,在怡和轩俱乐部进行一场一对十蒙目表演赛。
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-10-12 11:26:16  2楼 评分:
在编排上我有技术问题请教各位高手,如何迅速有效的计算对手分当前8名进入淘汰赛后,剩下的几十人进入后4轮的较量,如何迅速有效的计算他们之前对到前8时的对手分。 请高手帮忙解答,谢谢。
the best person to ask is 陈团生 .......

as at least he uses computer pairing for Singapore Open 7 + 2 method for all players for two years in 2007 and 2008.

Your system is a bit more complex as you are using 5 + 3 method for the Top 8 persons and 5 + 4 method for others.

For 7 + 2 method, after the first 7 rounds, to use manual pairing instead of computer pairing for the Top 4 but input the munual pairing for the purpose of 计算对手分, you need to stop the Top 4 after Round 7 before you do the computer pairing for others for Rounds 8 & 9.

If you need to use the results of last 3 rounds (5 + 3 method) of the Top 8 for the 对手分 calculation of others, you may need to use 5 + 3 method for others too, alternatively, do not calculate the 对手分 further after first 5 rounds for the Top 8, i.e. their 对手分 stop after Round 5.

This is the extra work for computer pairing if you have two methods in one competition, another alternative is to use 8 or 9 rounds Swiss pairing method for all players to avoid any manual adjustment.

As I am leaving Singapore on 16 Oct for the 11th 3-day Nantah Global gathering at Beijing

http://beijing2008.nantahchoir.com/

followed by Silkroad tour until 28 Oct, not able to continue watching the games for :

第一届世界智力运动会 -- 3 to 18 Oct 2008 (the 4th Update is on SIXGA's Notice Board dated 11 Oct 2008, not able to provide further updates for 女团 and 男团, may be 棋一生 can continue to provide updates on Notice Board from here ...)

第二届新加坡中国留学生体育节 (Xiangqi) -- 18 & 19 Oct 2008

柳大华特级大师一对十闭目赛 -- 19 Oct 2008 at 怡和轩, heard that SIXGA is planning another one on 27 Oct 2008, please wait for the official news ........

第15届亚洲象棋锦标赛(新加坡) -- 20 to 26 Oct 2008 (actual games from 21 to 24 Oct 2008)

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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-10-12 11:35:40  3楼
the best person to ask is 陈团生 ....... as at least he uses computer pairing for Singapore Open 7 + 2 method for all players for two years in 2007 and 2008. Your system is a bit more complex as you are using 5 + 3 method for the Top 8 persons and 5 + 4 method for others. For 7 + 2 method, after the first 7 rounds, to use manual pairing instead of computer pairing for the Top 4 but input the munual pairing for the purpose of 计算对手分, you need to stop the Top 4 after Round 7 before you do the computer pairing for others for Rounds 8 & 9. If you need to use the results of last 3 rounds (5 + 3 method) of the Top 8 for the 对手分 calculation of others, you may need to use 5 + 3 method for others too, alternatively, do not calculate the 对手分 further after first 5 rounds for the Top 8, i.e. their 对手分 stop after Round 5. This is the extra work for computer pairing if you have two methods in one competition, another alternative is to use 8 or 9 rounds Swiss pairing method for all players to avoid any man (more...)
the 4th Update of ......
the 4th Update of 第一届世界智力运动会 at Beijing ......

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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-10-14 08:34:34  4楼 评分:
感觉补充规定第五条对提和方会不会太苛刻?对手可以故意拖延时间不回答?
不会,提和方可继续走子。。。。。。

不会,提和方可继续走子,视为自动放弃提和。占据明显优势或形成正和局面可向裁判提出,要求判和。

5。关于提和的规定:棋手如果向对手提和,必须在自己的时间内提出,等候对方决定,并不得停钟。对方同意即为和局。走子按钟后再提和,对手可视为蓄意干扰。提和后对方犹豫未定,提和方继续走子,视为自动放弃提和。原则上应轮流提和,不能单方连续提和。

6。关于判和的规定:慢棋时间剩余5分钟以上,如果占据明显优势或形成正和局面,可以向裁判提出,要求判和,裁判视局面决定是否判和或继续对弈。快棋(8强淘汰赛)中没有5分钟的限制,棋手可以随时要求审定。
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-10-14 13:03:56  5楼
这条基本没有用大体上提和有两种情况:一是双方都无意进取,和棋了事,节省精力;二是一方劣势,抵抗到可和局面提和。 第一种情况基本无需考虑。第二种情况就难说了,因为如果继续走子,则视为放弃提和,自此之后到自然限着,循环或正和局面之前不能再提和。由于此次比赛不做记录,计算自然限着比较困难。对劣势求和一方显得不够公平。
对方不会同意和局,包干劣势一方不可向裁判提和。
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-10-14 17:49:33  6楼
这就是不公平所在了提和已然吃亏,如果占优势的一方不愿和棋,可以爽快拒绝,凭借实力获胜;如果自己感觉不容易把握,答应和棋就好。如果既觉得没把握又不愿意和棋,只靠拖延时间意图侥幸取胜,未免有违体育道德。
劣势一方提和是干扰对手。
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-10-14 18:48:45  7楼
连续提和可以说是干扰对手,在自己的用时之内一次提和是棋手的权利任何人都有求和的权利,无论优势劣势。
not true for 包干 in the past few years ......
from those competitions we joined.


usually, we see below :

如果某方拥有明显的胜势但因时间吃紧,或已形成“正和”的 局面,可以提出和棋的要求,经裁判同意后,该局即判为和棋。
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-10-29 20:35:35  8楼
Just for debate: have you ever met a case when yougot only a few minutes left, your oponents got more time than you. And when you request for draw, your oponents hesitated for more than 10 seconds? If you are the person who lose because of this, do you still think it is "not a problem" Maybe you always win, or you always have enough time to play with the naughty oponents, but it doesn't mean wasting time can be legal. Sometimes we have to think from other person's perspective.
As mentioned by 几度, 包干制规则还不够完善 ........

usually, there is no way to 求和 for 包干制 except, e.g. :

如果某方拥有明显的胜势但因时间吃紧,或已形成“正和”的 局面,可以提出和棋的要求,经裁判同意后,该局即判为和棋。


Opponent is not in the picture for 包干制求和 except 裁判, 时间 is one of the critical factors, of course, 裁判 has to decide on those situations not covered by the stated rules.

If all factors are ok, a proper competition should try not to have 包干制..... but not easy to implement for most of the competitions now.
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