玩这个快4年了，周边没有什么人玩，非常孤独, 希望在这里能结识志同道合的朋友。过去半年一年在持续的买进，没有卖出。策略是做长线，穿越牛熊的那种。开这个贴，也是告诫自己少操作，不操作. 目前还是处于定投状态，计划一直定投到牛市来临，然后一直hold，除非中间出现严重过热的爆发行情，可以适当短期减少仓位。

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该帖荣获当日十大第10，奖励楼主1分以及1华新币，时间：2023-01-29 22:00:01。

大部队已经进去了，接下来每个月再定投一点

过去6个月是按照定好的计划走的，就是分批买进, 过程中币价下跌的时候既有不开心，也有一点可以买到更便宜的币的小欣喜，一直在矛盾中。之前币安新加坡每天可以提1万到银行账户，现在币安在新加坡已经被禁了, 最近没有出过资金所以不太清楚其它的渠道。其他人有没有洗钱不知道哈，我投的都是自己劳动所得，;-)

我觉得数字黄金只是下一步。比特币离黄金市值也并没有那么远，在6.9万美金的高点，比特币总市值大约为69K*1900000个=1.3Trillion USD. 现在全世界所有已开采黄金的总值是13Trillion USD左右(https://companiesmarketcap.com/gold/marketcap/#:~:text=Gold's%20Market%20Cap&text=The%20Market%20Capitalization%20of%20Gold,world's%20above%20ground%20gold%20reserves.). 就是说比特币市值最高的时候已经达到全世界黄金的10%左右。再来1-2个牛市就有可能达到黄金市值的同一个量级。 比特币有着比黄金更适合储值的特点（比如说更易于携带，俄罗斯乌克兰刚刚开战的时候大量富豪外逃，携带大量黄金非常不方便。国内资金出来现在有5万美金的限制，但是对于比特币就完全没有这个限制）, 还可能有更广阔的用途. 加密货币市值相对于其他资产门类的大小可以参见： https://www.visualcapitalist.com/all-of-the-worlds-money-and-markets-in-one-visualization-2022/ . 非投资建议。

入金买币有什么好推荐么？现在用的是coinhaku，coinhaku跟市价差大约0.6%的样子，心疼。

xtraits crypto.com如果有referral code的给我一个吧

理论上说，比特币新的币可以一直挖到2140年。如果你拥有一个比特币，那么，你的这一个比特币将比所有2104年到2140年累计新挖出来的币还要多。这一个比特币也将比2064年后全世界每一天新挖出来的币多。实际上，比特币减半大约每3.8年就会发生，附表是以每4年发生减半计算的，所以上述两个时间点都会更提前一些时间发生。只是想安慰自己，任何时候入场可能都不算太晚，，HODL. 非投资建议。

对比特币的看法和观点，可以和堕胎，拥枪，死刑等争议性的话题类比。双方均有大量支持的人和不能简单反驳的论点论据。这种情况需要深入了解双方的立场，观点，历史，论据，再做出判断，有时甚至需要我们能够同时容纳完全对立的观点。如果对于这些极具争议的话题持有非黑即白的一边倒观点，那可能我们需要反思是不是我们自己已经入主出奴了。2013年左右的时候我对比特币也是在没有深入了解的情况下完全赞同没有国家支持，没有实际价值支撑，国家不会允许其发展等观点。近年深入了解之后慢慢改变了观点。互联网高速发展是在95年前后的样子（国内是在97/98校园里才有网络），至今算28年。比特币从2009年开始(相关的研究和工作实际从更早就开始了，戴伟1998年就发明了B-Money (Dai outlines the basic properties of all modern day cryptocurrency systems – from wiki)，其他追求自由的极客也比2009年更早就开始相关探索了)算也有14年了，比特币不妨作为一个做过长时间技术积累才问世的伟大产品来看待和了解。这里并不是说比特币一定会成功，但是把它当成一个从未有过的试验来看待，来了解，应该是比较合适的。

有很多重大的比特币相关安全事件，但是基本上都不是因为比特币系统不够安全。 比特币是去中心化的，太多的悲剧都是因为人又依赖于中心化了-把自己的信任交给了中心化的交易所。以下内容来自刚刚和chatGPT的对话。

can you list out the top 5 safety incidents related to bitcoin in the past 10 years?
Sure, here are some of the top 5 safety incidents related to Bitcoin in the past 10 years:
1. Mt. Gox Hack: In 2014, the largest Bitcoin exchange at the time, Mt. Gox, suffered a security breach that resulted in the loss of 850,000 bitcoins, worth around $450 million at the time. This incident raised concerns about the security of Bitcoin exchanges and the safety of funds stored on them.
2. Bitfinex Hack: In 2016, the Bitfinex exchange was hacked and lost 120,000 bitcoins, worth around $72 million at the time. This incident led to a decline in the price of Bitcoin and further highlighted the need for better security measures in the cryptocurrency space.
3. Cryptocurrency Exchange Scams: Over the years, there have been numerous instances of cryptocurrency exchanges disappearing with customers' funds. In some cases, these have been outright scams, while in others, the exchanges have failed due to poor management or a lack of security measures.
4. Ransomware Attacks: In recent years, ransomware attacks have become increasingly common, with hackers demanding payment in Bitcoin. While the use of Bitcoin as a payment method can offer anonymity to the attackers, it can also make it difficult for victims to recover their funds.
5. Phishing Scams: Phishing scams, where hackers trick individuals into giving up their private keys or seed phrases, are a common threat in the cryptocurrency space. This type of attack can result in the loss of funds, and it highlights the importance of using secure methods for storing and managing cryptocurrencies.
It's important to keep in mind that the cryptocurrency space is constantly evolving, and new threats and security incidents are likely to arise in the future. It's always recommended to stay informed about the latest developments and to take appropriate security measures when using cryptocurrencies.

are these incidents due to the bitcoin system itself?
Not necessarily. Most of these incidents are not due to flaws in the Bitcoin system itself, but rather to the security practices of individuals, exchanges, or other third-party services that store and manage Bitcoin.
For example, in the case of the Mt. Gox and Bitfinex hacks, the security breaches were a result of vulnerabilities in the exchanges' systems, not in the Bitcoin network itself. Similarly, scams and phishing attacks often rely on tricking individuals into giving up their private information, rather than exploiting weaknesses in the Bitcoin system.
That being said, the decentralized nature of the Bitcoin network does introduce some unique security challenges, such as the need for individuals to securely store their own private keys and the potential for double-spend attacks. However, these challenges are largely manageable with appropriate security measures and education.
In conclusion, while the incidents mentioned above have highlighted the need for improved security in the cryptocurrency space, they are not necessarily a reflection of flaws in the Bitcoin system itself.

买了点eth@1430U，基本上把6个月的额度都用完了。差不多可以删app尽量不看价格了，:）

短期币价无法预测，上下都有可能。到了预先定好的点入手就好。当然，也有可能因为等待太低的价位而错过

otc，自己找认识的人，交易所？

According to the Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index (CBECI), the estimated annual electricity consumption of the Bitcoin network is around 114.67 terawatt-hours (TWh) as of September 2021. This represents approximately 0.5% of the global electricity consumption.

中本聪在2010的看法如下，那时候比特币挖矿用的电力还很少，用的是一般的电脑，还没有开始用GPU挖矿， 更不用说矿场和矿池。https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=721.msg8114#msg8114

It's the same situation as gold and gold mining. The marginal cost of gold mining tends to stay near the price of gold. Gold mining is a waste, but that waste is far less than the utility of having gold available as a medium of exchange.

I think the case will be the same for Bitcoin. The utility of the exchanges made possible by Bitcoin will far exceed the cost of electricity used. Therefore, not having Bitcoin would be the net waste.

摘自2012-9-12吴忌寒的"BTC会不会变成另外一个郁金香泡沫？" 来源：http://btc.mom/5202/
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比特币从31美元跌破2美元，这样的熊市不可谓不惨烈，但之后他的用户在持续增加，汇率也强劲反弹到现在15美元上方，这个反弹过程在最后已经形成了一个泡沫，而它的破裂也迅速将价格打到了7.5美元。现在价格又重新稳定到了11美元。未来比特币的汇率运动将持续表现为泡沫的形成和破裂。很遗憾，人类群体的思维方式并不能理性计算出一个合理汇率，以一种匀速上涨的方式反映比特币经济体的扩张，只能以这样的过度上涨+修复的形态来不断试探和寻找均衡点。
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上一个周期defi，gamefi，NFT，机构（灰度，特斯拉，microstrategy，美图等）入场。 这个周期有什么期待呢？defi, gamefi, LSD, NFT多是一众非比特币应用的扩大。比特币能有什么叙事呢？我妄言一个中型以上的国家动用国家力量挖矿，屯比特币，或者采用比特币作为该国的法定货币/法定货币系统的一部分。伊朗，中东某国，或者俄罗斯？猜猜那时候比特币的价格能到哪里。。。妄言而已，勿拍。

这家公司有点意思，MicroStrategy Incorporated is an American company that provides business intelligence (BI), mobile software, and cloud-based services. 不务正业，斥资41.7亿美元，以29803美元的均价买入14万个比特币。看着均价比我这一轮的高这么多，又多了那么一丝丝的安全感，。