(引用 一米阳光:这个妈妈应该去联络其他的业主不相信一个公寓里面就他们一家有小孩子。)刚搬进来不过2个月而已。见到邻居也只是点头招呼而已 [本文发送自华新手机Wap版] [jjoan1 (8-22 21:42, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]41楼
(引用 南洋暴雪:别装窗外嘛装窗子里面嘛。 树挪死，人挪活。 说实话这事情确实是私人事件，确实轮不到政府来管。自己想办法。)这是阳台上的。不是窗子上的 [本文发送自华新手机Wap版] [jjoan1 (8-22 21:43, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]42楼
(引用 love962397:是不是就是前段时间为了这个问题发帖两次的华新网友啊！小毛驴自己)你太厉害了。这都还有印象。呵呵 [本文发送自华新手机Wap版] [jjoan1 (8-22 21:44, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]43楼
(引用 jjoan1:万不得已，无处寻求解决方法，只得投诉媒体，也不知如何解决问题收到MCST的警告信，想着下一步应该是要收律师信了。)这种情况只能找专业律师处理，不然就只能在客厅拉门到阳台的地方先装栅栏，保证安全 [本文发送自华新iOS APP] [DengWei (8-22 21:44, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]44楼
(引用 jjoan1:万不得已，无处寻求解决方法，只得投诉媒体，也不知如何解决问题收到MCST的警告信，想着下一步应该是要收律师信了。)还真是你啊 [本文发送自华新iOS APP] [DengWei (8-22 21:44, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]45楼
(引用 菠罗包:所以我说MCST成员权力大呀打官司是由那11个成员自己决定的，居民在去年底的大会上才听说，当时已经花了20多万了……)这…MCST的人能同时加入NC吗会不会有conflict？或者如果两边关系不好里外不是人？ [本文发送自华新iOS APP] [武汉伢 (8-22 21:47, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]46楼
(引用 jjoan1:万不得已，无处寻求解决方法，只得投诉媒体，也不知如何解决问题收到MCST的警告信，想着下一步应该是要收律师信了。)希望美妈的问题最后能得到妥善的解决不知道如何加入MCST，那些人都没有娃不用替娃考虑的吗？ [本文发送自华新iOS APP] [武汉伢 (8-22 21:50, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]47楼
(引用 DengWei:还真是你啊)呵呵。没想到你会贴出来。早报完全没告知我。朋友看到你的贴子才知道的 [本文发送自华新手机Wap版] [jjoan1 (8-22 21:51, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]48楼
(引用 武汉伢:这…MCST的人能同时加入NC吗会不会有conflict？或者如果两边关系不好里外不是人？)呃我不是说美女已经加入了哈就是好奇有没有这种情况 [本文发送自华新iOS APP] [武汉伢 (8-22 21:52, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]49楼
自从收到警告信应该没有和平解决的可能性了。当他們带着保安进来咆哮的那一刻开始，就知道这梁子是结下了。本还希望他们能睁只眼闭只眼，看样子也不可能了。还好我的装隐形窗花的那小哥很够意思，居然发了BCA的2015 的circular给我。让我看到了点曙光，也不惧怕跟他们硬碰硬了。其中两条跟大家分享
Paragraph 5(3) of the prescribed by-laws under the Second Schedule to the Building Maintenance (Strata Management) Regulations 2005 states that a subsidiary proprietor (SP) or occupier of a lot shall not be prevented from installing any structure or device to prevent harm to children (an extract is appended in the Annex). Such structures/devices include safety grilles at windows and balconies.
5 There may be situations where the MC has not set design guidelines for safety grilles, or is unable to pass the design guidelines by-law through a general meeting. In such situations, the MC will have to decide on the approval of the installation of such structure/devices on a case-by-case basis. If there are no prevailing design guidelines, the MC should consider the SP's proposed design to see if it can be adopted by all other SPs wanting to install safety grilles to ensure uniformity in appearance with the rest of the building in the development.
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(引用 武汉伢:这…MCST的人能同时加入NC吗会不会有conflict？或者如果两边关系不好里外不是人？)可以的，我们NC有一个member就是MCST的成员如你所料的，是挺尴尬的，两面不是人。还好我们的NC主席比较会做人，尽量不去得罪MCST，但是也不会让MCST骑在NC的头上。 [本文发送自华新iOS APP] [菠罗包 (8-22 22:01, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]51楼
(引用 jjoan1:呵呵。没想到你会贴出来。早报完全没告知我。朋友看到你的贴子才知道的)没问题的，我也没料到是你，也没有人知道投报的是不是真实姓名，所以不用担心隐私。
早报站长也是在上面回复你了，你们可以要求物业统一规格特别批准你们的情况，你们那公寓有whatapps群吗？记得要出席大会，积极争取个人利益，这些人有些过分了，没有基本的道德感和同情心
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[DengWei (8-22 22:05, Long long ago)]
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(引用 jjoan1:自从收到警告信应该没有和平解决的可能性了。当他們带着保安进来咆哮的那一刻开始，就知道这梁子是结下了。本还希望他们能睁只眼闭只眼，...)帮楼主搜了一下之前的casehttp://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/family-wins-case-install-grille-condo-balcony-childs-safety
Family wins case to install grille in condo balcony for child's safety
Board has ruled in favour of a family who were twice refused permission to install a grille in the balcony of their 13th-level condominium unit after seeing their four-year-old daughter try to climb over it.
It held that the management corporation of 7 One North Residences (ONR) in Buona Vista was wrong in refusing permission to a family to install grilles above the glass wall of their 13th-level balcony.
In judgment grounds of the test case, released this week, it said: "The children's safety must be paramount, even if the grilles may affect the appearance of the building or if they constitute an alteration on common property and therefore are prohibited under ONR's by-laws."
Dr Sujit Singh Gill's application was turned down twice by the ONR's management corporation (MC), which claimed it would affect the building's unique and uniform appearance.
The MC suggested instead that grilles be placed at the edge of the living room to prevent child access to the balcony. Dr Singh applied to the board last July to overrule the MC.
At issue was the rationality of the MC's decision and whether it could bar the installation based on the relevant building regulations. The MC's lawyers, Mr Subramaniam Pillai and Ms Venetia Tan, argued that the grilles did not keep up the building's appearance as provided under ONR's by-laws and would obstruct maintenance of the glass wall, among other things.
Lawyers Toh Kok Seng and Daniel Chen for Dr Singh countered that the relevant ONR by-laws took effect only last July and Dr Singh could not have been aware of them as he had bought the unit in 2010. They argued that the ONR by-laws had to be consistent with the prescribed 2005 Building Maintenance (Strata Management) Regulations, which allow owners to install safety structures or devices to prevent harm to children - even if they affect the building's appearance under certain circumstances.
The board comprising Mr Alfonso Ang, Mr Chua Koon Hoe and Mr Lim Gnee Kiang found that the MC had been "unreasonably difficult" with Dr Singh's request and had ignored the concerns for children's safety, as provided for under the 2005 regulations. It added that the grilles would have minimal impact on the building's appearance.
The board made clear that children's safety must be the overriding concern and the MC should support other such applications.
It called for the MC to provide guidelines for the installation of such safety devices to ensure they keep to the rest of the appearances of the building.
"Having grilles is not an attempt to abdicate parental responsibility. Instead, it serves as a safety precaution from leaning or climbing over the balcony glass wall. After all, it only takes a split second for the child to climb and fall over the glass, especially since it is only waist-high and easy to climb over," said the board.
Law firm Lee & Lee said on its case update website that "this is the first case in which the prescribed by-law of the Building Maintenance (Strata Management) Regulations 2005 has been considered in depth and will undoubtedly be of consequence to most, if not all, management corporations in Singapore".
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[菠罗包 (8-22 22:08, Long long ago)]
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(引用 菠罗包:可以的，我们NC有一个member就是MCST的成员如你所料的，是挺尴尬的，两面不是人。还好我们的NC主席比较会做人，尽量不去得罪MCST，但是也...)我们nc的头把所有mc的人都得罪光了他收了好多proxy form把所有mc提的proposal都shoot down了
哈哈哈，这情商想当grassroot leader也是堪忧啊
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(引用 DengWei:没问题的，我也没料到是你，也没有人知道投报的是不是真实姓名，所以不用担心隐私。 早报站长也是在上面回复你了，你们可以要求物业统一...)谢谢各位的支持。过程很虐心，但看到很多在言论上支持，真的有感受到精神上的力量。跟MCST的人斗费时费力费神。我刚搬进这间公寓不过2个多月，也不知道有没有群。也没想过要要推翻这届MCST， 只发现这届的 MCST的成员一半以上都住一楼。(我有认真研读过前屋主留下来的AGM minutes哦)也许这就是他们认为安装隐形窗花的必要性并不大吧。估计他们也没料到我们这户这么难搞定，居然还敢强行安装。呵呵。 [本文发送自华新手机Wap版] [jjoan1 (8-22 22:15, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]55楼
(引用 jjoan1:谢谢各位的支持。过程很虐心，但看到很多在言论上支持，真的有感受到精神上的力量。跟MCST的人斗费时费力费神。我刚搬进这间公寓不过2个�...)你写信给bca吧我记得我们刚top的时候群里也有人讨论过这个问题的，记得邻居说bca允许装的，你去bca complain.
这个一天不装上，一天都不能安心上班
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[Joycewenn (8-22 22:18, Long long ago)]
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(引用 菠罗包:所以我说MCST成员权力大呀打官司是由那11个成员自己决定的，居民在去年底的大会上才听说，当时已经花了20多万了……)这官司得打多久啊? [本文发送自华新手机Wap版] [gltdaisy (8-22 22:20, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]57楼
(引用 gltdaisy:这官司得打多久啊?)一年多了还没完不过MCST也没有强行去拆违章的窗户，因为人家根本不让进屋嘛，MC的人也无可奈何。 [本文发送自华新iOS APP] [菠罗包 (8-22 22:29, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]58楼
(引用 jjoan1:刚搬进来不过2个月而已。见到邻居也只是点头招呼而已)可以先找找以前同样被拒绝的家庭吗其他有小孩的家庭,快有小孩的家庭都可以试试问问看,至少多些人支持 [本文发送自华新手机Wap版] [gltdaisy (8-22 22:30, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]59楼
(引用 jjoan1:谢谢各位的支持。过程很虐心，但看到很多在言论上支持，真的有感受到精神上的力量。跟MCST的人斗费时费力费神。我刚搬进这间公寓不过2个�...)同情1.以前住一楼，没有安装这个的问题，可是阳台没有封顶，楼上什么东西都可能丢下来，甚至有整扇窗户掉下来的（不是我家，另一个一楼住户），所有一楼的住户联合提出从安全考虑要物业同意一楼住户自费统一封自家的阳台顶部，可是回复就是不行，每年业主大会也达不到70%投票率。（几百户才十几户一楼，大部分都事不关己 高高挂起）哎！
2. 换新房子吸取经验，只要是bca允许的，才不管你外观不外观，先斩后奏。加上邻居们自己安装不符合的也很多，收到警告信要拆除，就和他们扯皮，别人那么多都安了，凭什么我们不可以，bca都允许了，为什么不能安。来来回回几次，物业manager都换了几个了，好像就不了了之了。住了2年了没人再来烦了。
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