(引用 六只小熊:不信的人公布啥你都不信)没错，我就表示深深的怀疑 [本文发送自华新手机Wap版] [Fianuo (1-27 14:08, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]21楼
不是针对楼下，但最讨厌就是自己什么忙都帮不上却在网上做圣母婊，批评这个没做好，哪个信息没公布。
扪心自问，你如果处在那个环境，每天救治病人都忙不过来，还有心思琢磨怎么搞个大新闻？
尽管我不赞同政府所做的任何事情，但对抗险救灾，控制疫情，我相信中国政府比其他国家的大多数政府都要做得好。
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(引用 Bigmonkey:不是针对楼下，但最讨厌就是自己什么忙都帮不上却在网上做圣母婊，批评这个没做好，哪个信息没公布。 扪心自问，你如果处在那个环境，每�...)顶一个就是，我看网上一堆人说起来自己已经是国家级别的顾问了，可惜也不过是个论坛里面的键盘侠。有那个能力的都不会在这边发牢骚，乱喷了。少些负能量，多些正能量，当下不是要责怪谁，而是要积极配合政府，配合国家把这个疫情尽早控制住，至于过程中的一些问题，肯定会秋后算账想，走过就会有痕迹。 [本文发送自华新手机Wap版] [nobodyknow (1-27 14:47, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]23楼
(引用 Bigmonkey:不是针对楼下，但最讨厌就是自己什么忙都帮不上却在网上做圣母婊，批评这个没做好，哪个信息没公布。
扪心自问，你如果处在那个环境，每�...)+1赞。
有人就是喜欢无脑喷，打嘴炮。然而自己却什么也不做。
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我觉得比起微信群里传播的某英文paper我还是相信现在政府公布的数据 随着新医院的建成 还有试剂盒的到位 这个数字肯定会增长
不过可以看看每个省的具体case 很多都是武汉去的人携带的感染源 而且被感染的人都是密切接触者
起码没有非典时期 去一次医院看普通门诊就再没回来的悲剧了
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(引用 雪梨坡:我觉得比起微信群里传播的某英文paper我还是相信现在政府公布的数据 随着新医院的建成 还有试剂盒的到位 这个数字肯定会增长
不过可以看�...)你对这个病毒毫无概念当初SARS的时候过了几个月确诊人数才增加到1千人。
而这个新病毒的传染能力远远超过SARS，几个星期就到了数千人，还有很多根本没有试剂盒确诊的人数被算在内，甚至到死了都没有检查过冠状病毒的，实际上的被感染人数至少上万甚至几万[HX3000 (1-27 20:16, Long ago)]
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Vipin Adlak, What is Wuhan Virus' pathophysiology?The latest “novel coronavirus” emerged in Wuhan, China in mid-December and was quite rapidly preliminarily identified as likely a coronavirus, a common virus group which causes respiratory tract infections. This would be the third new coronavirus causing outbreaks in the past twenty years; it’s impressive seeing the scientific progress made since SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) in 2003.
SARS, the first widespread and deadly coronavirus, spread globally, infecting almost 8100 and killing 774 in 37 countries before it was brought under control. Cases began in November 2003, and exploded over the first three months. It took until July to stop the outbreak.
Scientists discovered the link to civets in live animal markets in China. Subsequently fruit bats were found to be the likely reservoir for the virus. At that time, China was initially reluctant to openly discuss the scope of the SARS problem. Other countries, as India and Peru, had experienced severe financial losses after epidemics were reported in their countries. Gro Harlem Brundtland, then Director general of WHO, helped gain the Chinese government’s cooperation. Greater transparency and sharing specimens and information was essential to stopping the epidemic, as were rigorous infection control precautions.
The next novel coronaviruses were human coronaviruses HKU-1 and NL63, then MERS, Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus, which emerged in 2012. A major problem in identifying and stopping that epidemic was that the Saudi government was less than forthcoming about the cases. In fact, there were solid reports that the Saudi government even directed physicians to misreport the cause of death of patients.
Human coronaviruses are common throughout the world. Seven different coronaviruses, that scientists know of, can infect people and make them sick. Some human coronaviruses were identified many years ago and some have been identified recently. Human coronaviruses commonly cause mild to moderate illness in people worldwide. Two newer human coronaviruses, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV, have been known to frequently cause severe illness.
Symptoms
Common human coronaviruses
Common human coronaviruses, including types 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1, usually cause mild to moderate upper-respiratory tract illnesses, like the common cold. Most people get infected with these viruses at some point in their lives. These illnesses usually only last for a short amount of time.
Symptoms may include
runny nose
headache
cough
sore throat
fever
a general feeling of being unwell
Human coronaviruses can sometimes cause lower-respiratory tract illnesses, such as pneumonia or bronchitis. This is more common in people with cardiopulmonary disease, people with weakened immune systems, infants, and older adults.
Other human coronaviruses
Two other human coronaviruses, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV have been known to frequently cause severe symptoms. MERS symptoms usually include fever, cough, and shortness of breath which often progress to pneumonia. About 3 or 4 out of every 10 patients reported with MERS have died. MERS cases continue to occur, primarily in the Arabian Peninsula. SARS symptoms often included fever, chills, and body aches which usually progressed to pneumonia. No human cases of SARS have been reported anywhere in the world since 2004.
Diagnosis
Your healthcare provider may order laboratory tests on respiratory specimens and serum (part of your blood) to detect human coronaviruses. Laboratory testing is more likely to be used if you have severe disease or are suspected of having MERS.
If you are experiencing symptoms, you should tell your healthcare provider about any recent travel or contact with animals. Most MERS-CoV infections have been reported from countries in the Arabian Peninsula. Therefore reporting a travel history or contact with camels or camel products is very important when trying to diagnose MERS.
Transmission
Human coronaviruses most commonly spread from an infected person to others through
the air by coughing and sneezing
close personal contact, such as touching or shaking hands
touching an object or surface with the virus on it, then touching your mouth, nose, or eyes before washing your hands
rarely,
fecal contamination
In the United States, people usually get infected with common human coronaviruses in the fall and winter. However, you can get infected at any time of the year. Most people will get infected with one or more of the common human coronaviruses in their lifetime. Young children are most likely to get infected. However, people can have multiple infections in their lifetime.
Prevention
How to protect yourself
There are currently no vaccines available to protect you against human coronavirus infection. You may be able to reduce your risk of infection by doing the following
wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds
avoid touching your eyes, nose, or mouth with unwashed hands
avoid close contact with people who are sick
For information about hand washing, see CDC’s Clean Hands Save Lives!
How to protect others
If you have cold-like symptoms, you can help protect others by doing the following
See corona virus is still unknown for China like how it is spread , where does it come from ? ….and many more questions .
Actually this virus is found in animals or comes from animals according to Chinese scientists . And it may enter in our nostrils and infection lungs through air and eating meat or non veg.
Hence it's solution is not being found and trials are still to be done since it's new organism .
The only thing is that since many our Indians are living in China for different purpose so it may come enter in our country through them or through Chinese or others . So the thing we can do is follow some precautionary measure on our own level like cover our face with cotton cloth when visiting public place .
Do not eat meat , fish or eggs till the matter is solved . And do not eat outside .
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(引用 Freki:基本上如果公布是十万人，那么基本上所有武汉人都要不顾指令一切往外跑了，然后就是在各个公路口发生警民冲突，甚至是军民冲突。看看电影...)所以就可以隐瞒真实数据吗？我倒是相信高层（国家一级）不想隐瞒，倒是下面某些人的不作为会造成公信力的丧失[天下乌贼一般黑 (1-27 21:24, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]28楼
(引用 HX3000:你对这个病毒毫无概念当初SARS的时候过了几个月确诊人数才增加到1千人。
而这个新病毒的传染能力远远超过SARS，几个星期就到了数千人，还...)好好说话呗 真没礼貌sars可是被证明的瞒报 北京市长也下台了
就事论事 我相信国家的数据 武汉市长虽然戏多了点 我觉得他的hands are tied
这个时候关注点应该是如何应对下一步 确保医生护士还有设备到位 不光是武汉 其他大城市也一样 春节后大批量的迁徙 危机四伏 而不是质疑数据
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[雪梨坡 (1-27 21:54, Long ago)]
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(引用 雪梨坡:好好说话呗 真没礼貌sars可是被证明的瞒报 北京市长也下台了
就事论事 我相信国家的数据 武汉市长虽然戏多了点 我觉得他的hands are tied...)做为老百姓为什么不可以质疑数据？做为公民至少有知情权吧？现在身边感受到的疫情，尤其是在武汉，明显比公布的要严重，做为最底层的老百姓想知道真实的情况都不可以吗？
把质疑当作是麻烦，甚至是反对的政府才是制造恐慌的源头[天下乌贼一般黑 (1-28 0:16, Long ago)]
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其实重要的问题不是相不相信数字而是相不相信科学和自己 [本文发送自华新手机Wap版] [笑天 (1-28 7:31, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]31楼
(引用 天下乌贼一般黑:做为老百姓为什么不可以质疑数据？做为公民至少有知情权吧？现在身边感受到的疫情，尤其是在武汉，明显比公布的要严重，做为最底层的老百...)质疑个啥作为老百姓，让你感动的时候就感动，让你捐款就捐款，让你干啥你就干啥，还敢独立思考质疑，这岂不是乱了套了。[991ms (1-28 8:54, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]32楼
(引用 991ms:质疑个啥作为老百姓，让你感动的时候就感动，让你捐款就捐款，让你干啥你就干啥，还敢独立思考质疑，这岂不是乱了套了。)其实作为平头百姓也可以要你干啥都不干啊
为啥一定要干?
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[笑天 (1-28 9:29, Long ago)]
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(引用 笑天:其实作为平头百姓也可以要你干啥都不干啊 为啥一定要干?)这就不和谐了让你干啥你不干，你就不是百姓，是敌对份子了。[991ms (1-28 9:34, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]34楼
(引用 991ms:质疑个啥作为老百姓，让你感动的时候就感动，让你捐款就捐款，让你干啥你就干啥，还敢独立思考质疑，这岂不是乱了套了。)那看来只有人工智能才能胜任老百姓了[天下乌贼一般黑 (1-28 9:44, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]35楼
(引用 天下乌贼一般黑:所以就可以隐瞒真实数据吗？我倒是相信高层（国家一级）不想隐瞒，倒是下面某些人的不作为会造成公信力的丧失)1000多万人的城市，医院床位不够门诊排队几个小时，医护人员和试剂都不够，无法确诊，还有很多在家里隔离的。请问这种情况，谁能报出一个准确的数字？美帝吗？
这时候重要的是治病救人，采取有效措施防止扩散，加强医护人员，增加床位。一来就喷政府没做好，不是无脑就是被洗脑。
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(引用 991ms:这就不和谐了让你干啥你不干，你就不是百姓，是敌对份子了。)呵呵，不和谐比不开心甚至去死强不配合不是敌对，中立也可以
如瑞士，呵呵
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[笑天 (1-28 9:56, Long ago)]
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(引用 天下乌贼一般黑:做为老百姓为什么不可以质疑数据？做为公民至少有知情权吧？现在身边感受到的疫情，尤其是在武汉，明显比公布的要严重，做为最底层的老百...)质疑总得有最新的依据吧不然谁都可以说一说
我的城市每天都在回报确诊病例而且是如何感染的 我觉得起码是这里发布的数据和国家是吻合的
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(引用 Bigmonkey:1000多万人的城市，医院床位不够门诊排队几个小时，医护人员和试剂都不够，无法确诊，还有很多在家里隔离的。请问这种情况，谁能报出一个...)早干啥去了？非要把事情搞到不可收拾的地步，然后就是这个困难那个困难的。[991ms (1-28 12:17, Long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]39楼
(引用 雪梨坡:好好说话呗 真没礼貌sars可是被证明的瞒报 北京市长也下台了
就事论事 我相信国家的数据 武汉市长虽然戏多了点 我觉得他的hands are tied...)你愿意相信就相信呗就像那么多武汉人也 相信官方没大事，没有证据人传人，出门不用戴口罩，放心参加万人宴，至于结果么现在大家都看到了。
如何根据现有的各种信息尽量准确估计形势，作出对自己最有利的判断和决定，这就是考验自己脑子和智商的时候了
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