第四轮林清水红先胜将5进9看来后手需要加强，对手比我谱熟啊。开局马2进3走出反宫马的架势，岂料对方先进7兵来对付，遂改走屏风马。本来想走自己熟悉的平炮兑车，但是又害怕对方也熟悉。临场突然走出左马盘河想给对手一个出其不意，岂料对方走了很稳健的车2退1，夺得多兵优势。补士有些随手，其实士6进5此时候好过士4进5，以后变化自然明白了。后来被对方打士后一直再没有机会反先。对手比较老练。本局输在开局上，没有 取得很好的阵型结构，以至右边受压制，左边反弹不足。以后一定要负仇的。输了不等于失败，重要的是下一盘，再不犯同样的错误。

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分析一下这个开局第16步一定要炮8退1,不可卒7进1,让红多3兵是不可避免的.
炮8退1
兵三进一,炮8平7
车二平八,炮2进5,
炮五平八,接下去黑有先飞象或直接卒3进1的选择.
双方均势,易和.
不对之处,请高手指正.[卷心菜 (3-5 0:49, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]2楼

(引用 卷心菜:分析一下这个开局第16步一定要炮8退1,不可卒7进1,让红多3兵是不可避免的. 炮8退1 兵三进一,炮8平7 车二平八,炮2进5, 炮五平八,接下去黑有...)hmmm..but until move 35..i still think black not bad.i think can still play. until move 35....black still okay wat..i think still good.

i still feel should move pao 2=4...later can pao 4+1 beat car.

If red still move pao 5=4..black can move pao 7=8.

Feeling wise..i think black formation solid.

note: (pao 2=4 is a variation gotten from 59pao vs ping feng ma....or 7 road horse games. in this situation, much better than 59 pao..coz red pao not aiming black's 1 bing.)[肚士肥猪 (3-5 1:17, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]3楼

(引用 卷心菜:分析一下这个开局第16步一定要炮8退1,不可卒7进1,让红多3兵是不可避免的. 炮8退1 兵三进一,炮8平7 车二平八,炮2进5, 炮五平八,接下去黑有...)对第16步奕天高手也是走炮8退1,不走卒7进1，发展下去会大兑子，和棋。[张辽 (3-5 10:53, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]4楼

(引用 肚士肥猪:hmmm..but until move 35..i still think black not bad.i think can still play. until move 35....black still okay wat..i think stil...)completely agree!pao 2=4 is a good move since 2 road pao is useless then and blocked buy red car.pao2=4 and pao4jin1,then i can breath liao and begin to consider attack him liao![将五进九 (3-5 11:45, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]5楼