哥南亚逸乐龄中心象棋会3周年会庆象棋团体友谊赛 (9月8日) -- 6 teams at 3 pm ?!>>Timing 3pm is start time?
juz like double confirm incase i was late :P thank[理解象棋 (9-8 10:25, Long long ago)]
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Ceremony at 3 pm, games start at 3:30 pm[棋人生 (9-8 10:37, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]2楼
成绩报告：甘榜格南8分获得冠军！哥南亚逸A，飞鹰，白沙东5分并列第二。成绩报告：甘榜格南8分获得冠军！哥南亚逸A，飞鹰，白沙东5分并列第二。
甘榜格南 8分
哥南亚逸A 5分
飞鹰 5分
白沙东 5分
哥南亚逸B 4分
碧山3分
感谢棋儒先生的组织和总裁判工作。[卷心菜 (9-8 21:08, Long long ago)]
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对局选：哥南亚逸A队胡一平先和飞鹰卷心菜红：哥南亚逸A队胡一平
黑：飞鹰卷心菜
结局：和棋
[卷心菜 (9-8 21:46, Long long ago)]
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(引用 卷心菜:成绩报告：甘榜格南8分获得冠军！哥南亚逸A，飞鹰，白沙东5分并列第二。成绩报告：甘榜格南8分获得冠军！哥南亚逸A，飞鹰，白沙东5分并列...)Is there a more specific breakdown of the results?[marauder (9-9 2:14, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]5楼
(引用 卷心菜:成绩报告：甘榜格南8分获得冠军！哥南亚逸A，飞鹰，白沙东5分并列第二。成绩报告：甘榜格南8分获得冠军！哥南亚逸A，飞鹰，白沙东5分并列...)told 棋儒that 哥南亚逸 is not a "good" place for 碧山in all three years ....
[棋人生 (9-9 8:03, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋人生:told 棋儒that 哥南亚逸 is not a "good" place for 碧山in all three years ....
...)Players for more than a team ... my personal view
From the warm-up match below and this friendly match held on the same day, noticed that a few players played for more than a team, although it is ok for individual player, but may be not very good especially for team friendly match.
As mentioned by the name "team friendly match", the main purpose is for players of different teams to know each other so that stronger relationship could be built between teams over times, we should try to fill up with own members so that everyone knows the members of other teams.
If we treat the friendly match as another "serious" competition (winning is the only purpose) and formed the team with players from all over the places, the team is just in "NAME" and it is meaningless.
Even for "Serious" competition, we should have a plan to build up the skill of our players over times but not to form team with whatever good players over Singapore or even overseas. If not, the Champion is also just in NAME and only valid during the competition duration.
As brought up during the Round Table Discussion by various xiangqi teams held at Bishan C.C. on 7 Jan 2007, Boon Lay team has a training plan for the new players, it should be the direction for all teams.
Just my personal view only.
Below from Boon Lay C.C. Blog.
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Warm-up friendly
Today, we organised a friendly between Boon Lay CC Xiangqi Club teams A and B at Boon Lay CC. This would serve as a warm-up for the upcoming Albert Complex team competition. After some fierce competition, Team B upset the stronger Team A by a narrow margin of 4:3. The detailed results are as such:
Board 1: 甲级 卢国龙 0-1 甲级 熊国伟 (外援)
Board 2: 甲级 黄毅鸿 0-1 甲级 吕瑞展
Board 3: 乙级 刘茂荣 0-1 无级 刘亿豪
Board 4: 乙级 柳国斌 1-0 无级 陈政利
Board 5: 无级 邱振宇 1-0 无级 赖俊杰
Board 6: 无级 张友彬 0-1 无级 魏琬妮
Board 7: 无级 廖铭濠 1-0 无级 陈忠辉
Note: Team A is listed on the left. The players highlighted red took red.
[棋人生 (9-9 8:42, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋人生:Players for more than a team ... my personal view
From the warm-up match below and this friendly match held on the same day, not...)Players for more than a team－－我的一点意见近来，随着棋队之间的相互比赛日益增多(contributions by棋人生，棋儒，几度，理解象棋，各位领队和热心组织者)，棋手的“效忠”问题浮现水面。
我下比赛不过寥寥几年，在这儿献丑分析一番。
一般来说，理想状态(ideal state)应该是每个棋手在任何一段时间内只代表某一个棋队，每次比赛，友谊赛都为所属棋队全力以赴以争取胜利。
这种理想状态受到了以下几方面的制约 (constraints)
1。新加坡是一个城市国家，不能按地方（自然界限）来划分棋手所属，无法做到象中国（广东队，上海队，河北队等）或大马（槟城队，新山队等）由所在地进行自然划分。比如说许银川是广东队，很大的可能性他一辈子都会住在广东，所以“效忠”广东队是没有任何问题。对新加坡棋手而言，可能以前住文礼，后搬去金文泰，再后又搬家到碧山等。所以无法对一个地区产生非常强烈的感情，上升不到一种地区爱国主义。
2。既然效忠的不是一个地区，那就需要效忠棋队本身，要对队长，其他队员有种强烈的感情，在比赛中要有特别希望自己队伍胜利的那种情感。然而一般来说新加坡几百个知名棋手大多都互相熟知，都是朋友，有时候比赛中会对到其他队中自己特别好的朋友，因此难以全力以赴为自己的棋队争取胜利。
3。由于某些棋队比较“活跃”，所以有些友谊赛不多的棋队队员为了“有棋下”而也参加“活跃”棋队的比赛，而又大多都不好意思开口退出以前的棋队，造成了同时代表多队的现状。其出发点是有棋下，为了象棋艺术的本身，不能简单判定其对或错。
然而不能由于以上的一些原因就下结论说一人多队是合理的，不是无法避免的，因为这不利于棋队的建设，也不利于棋手自身的长期发展。
1。棋队吸收棋手成为会员，提供各种训练机会，比赛机会，交流机会，对棋手进行长期培养，在这种情况下，棋手理应效忠棋队，而不能事事只考虑自己单方面的利益。比如说碧山队培养一些学生棋手，自然不希望他们击败大师成名以后立刻跳入“强队”以求奖金。这点是最重要的一点。
2。长期的代表一个棋队，能增强自己的归属感，即使在自己没下场比赛，队友比赛中都能十分关注比赛，让自己参与进去。这跟看球赛一样，喜欢曼联，球迷自己并不去英国下场踢球，而是在观众席上或在电视机前为自己喜爱的球队加油呐喊。这样棋队的凝聚力也就随之增强。
3。棋手只代表一个棋队，虽可能少下几场比赛，但可在最大程度上避免尴尬，也可避免在团体赛中在某些轮次“不便上场”，能最大程度上使棋队整体上发挥出最佳水平。
以上一点意见抛砖引玉[卷心菜 (9-9 11:57, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋人生:Players for more than a team ... my personal view From the warm-up match below and this friendly match held on the same day, not...)Board 6: 无级 张友彬 0-1 无级 魏琬妮； 魏琬妮将代表新加坡队参加10月澳门世界杯！听说本地新来了一位女将，期待着其与魏琬妮的对决！[卷心菜 (9-9 11:59, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]9楼
(引用 卷心菜:Board 6: 无级 张友彬 0-1 无级 魏琬妮； 魏琬妮将代表新加坡队参加10月澳门世界杯！听说本地新来了一位女将，期待着其与魏琬妮的对决！)I believe that you are refering to this lady called me on Friday ...
A lady from China studying at SMU called me on Friday, 7 Sep 2007. She wanted to find out professional related training for xiangqi players. I told her that no such training in Singapore but I encourage her to come to our Club on Wednesday or SIXGA during weekend. I met her at SIXGA on the same evening. She should have about Grade 2 standard.
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(引用 卷心菜:Players for more than a team－－我的一点意见近来，随着棋队之间的相互比赛日益增多(contributions by棋人生，棋儒，几度，理解象棋，�...)Yes, agree .....
to have positive xiangqi development in Singapore, we should have at least 8 to 10 active and strong xiangqi teams in Singapore, but the current situation is far below the expectation, especially when compare to Weiqi and International Chess development in schools.
If all good players all channelled to say 5 teams or less, in the long run, only these 5 or less teams are active, then we will have less competitions in future and less sponsors are willing to support it. This is another chicken and egg issue.
It may be quite interesting to look back at this matter, say 5 or 10 years down the road.[棋人生 (9-9 12:26, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋人生:Players for more than a team ... my personal view
From the warm-up match below and this friendly match held on the same day, not...)My personal reply (does not represent the opinion and ideals of my club)Boon Lay CC Chinese Chess club did not encourage our players to play for another team. On the other hand, we also did not strongly enforce the rule of them not to play for another team as we believe it is the player's freedom to decide for himself.
As the players who played for 2 diferent teams are youth players. They still do not have the idea of TEAM and CLUB embedded strongly in them yet. To them, they just want to play chess, wherever there are opportunities. Well, maybe it's not gd for team and club policies. But if we step back and look from a wider perspective, what they are doing is good for the development of chess in Singapore. This is because they will be the next batch of potential players to represent Singapore and to bring chinese chess to a higher level. Personally, as much as I do not like them representing other teams, I feel bad in hampering their progress as well.
What is causing this problem might be that there are too few chess competition and opportunities in Singapore for these young players to play serious chess. This causes them to find ways and means to play more Chess competition whenever possible.
Also, these young players are not the top players in Singapore. Thus, I do not believe the team that they played for are trying to win with them.
As for your issue of good foreign players, it is a hotly debatable one. My own feeling is that inviting them over gives the other Singaporeans from other teams the opportunities to play with these top players for free. I do see anything bad about it. Well, there are of course more to be considered than to accept this simplistic view.
But maybe it is time we should look beyond the strict confinements of the idea of a TEAM and CLUB to consider that for the greater good of Chinese Chess development in Singapore. [marauder (9-9 12:49, Long long ago)]
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(引用 卷心菜:对局选：哥南亚逸A队胡一平先和飞鹰卷心菜红：哥南亚逸A队胡一平
黑：飞鹰卷心菜
结局：和棋
...)不错不错卷心菜这盘下得不错了，虽然下面的变化未必都能算过，但临场的纠缠，看得出计算已经比以前更能抓住局势的中心了。以友谊赛限时的环境来说，双方都下出了高水平。总的来说，看完这局我有两个感觉，一是顺炮局熟悉谱着还是很重要，二是高手在比赛中被爆冷的原因，有时是被自己的计算吓死的。
下面是我自己的一些拆解。有错请大家指正。
红第15步没有选择炮八平三的攻法，黑抢位还是挺准确的。红方第19、21两步亮车，着法别致，战术意识强烈。22步黑也可考虑炮2平4，红如车八进七，黑卒1进1，仕六进五，车1进2，车七进三？炮4平3，红双马受制是弱点，黑弃象可以反先。
25着红看准黑方急于从边线突破的心理，补仕暗设陷阱。第一感觉，红应仕四进五，左翼底线较强，又避免让黑车控制帅门。但从后面的着法看，补左仕使得黑没有炮3进4的先手，能更有效地控制局势，是高瞻远瞩的好棋。
26着黑过卒不够小心。先车1进2会较好。以下红一系列的反击卓有成效。32着黑已全面受制，红似可兵九进一，黑方难走。32着黑平中车必然，如卒5进1，车七退一，红优。33着红车六平七，感觉便宜不大，或许是误算，或许是为了避开黑炮4平6的威胁，但这着红似乎仍可兵九进一。黑如炮4平6，红有炮六进五。
36着红打卒让黑先弃后取解脱，无奈。如炮六进五，炮6进1，炮六平九，炮6平3，车七平八，象7进5或卒3进1，均是黒优。另如炮六进六，象7进5，车七进一，车1退1，后车七平六，炮3进4（炮3平4？车七退四！），车七平八，士5进4，黑方得子。估计红方当时算过这些变化，才走炮五进二简化。
红急攻之下，黑方反而解脱。
40着黑马吃车，希望保留边卒的威胁，不难理解。也可车1平3，红车五退二，卒1进1，马七进九，车3平1，马九退七，炮6进7，对抢先手。
42着黑炮6平7感觉会更好。红如车四进二，黑再走炮7平9。
43、45着红连推两步中兵，确立主动，证明了黑方保留边卒的意图不够成熟。46着黑不如车1进1，比实战省一步棋。47着红平车好棋。
兑车后红又占优，但之后可能下得累了，较为随手，久攻不下，反而让黑卒逼近九宫。至116着，黑又转入进攻，反占优势。
128着红炮四退二，应改走马二退四较好。黑进炮保马，其实可以马8进7，马五退三，炮5进1，炮四退一，马2进3，帅五平六，炮5平4，炮四平六，马3退4，帅六平五，炮4平1，马三退二，炮1进3，红虽然可以坚守成和，但要辛苦一些。黑马8进7，红如误走炮四退二则败。
[几度 (9-9 12:54, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋人生:Players for more than a team ... my personal view
From the warm-up match below and this friendly match held on the same day, not...)To clarify on the 外援I had to step out and clarify something on the 外援 for team B.
Actually, this is more of an internal training session for both teams. And since we are of the same club, there is not much of an issue of one team triumph over the other team. The main objective is to train.
As for the 外援, he is brought in only because one of our member got something cropped up at the last minute and Guowei just happen to visit our club then (due to his urge to play more chess too?). So we are rather flexible and ask him to substitute the original player.
He was not brought in to win. Please do not get the wrong idea. We were all happy with the results as all of us, (regardless team A or B, winning or losing) gained something out of it. Isn't that what Chess is all about? [marauder (9-9 12:59, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋人生:I believe that you are refering to this lady called me on Friday ... A lady from China studying at SMU called me on Friday, 7 Se...)What do you mean by Grade 2?甲级，乙级，碧山二级，还是其他级别？[几度 (9-9 13:06, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]15楼
(引用 marauder:To clarify on the 外援I had to step out and clarify something on the 外援 for team B. Actually, this is more of an internal tra...)一点意见这次我们摆了一个大乌龙，实在也不好说什么。外援不外援的，涉及到棋会间的一些敏感话题，我只能以个人的身份说（官方言论让梁华平去斟酌吧），考虑到这次友谊赛兼训练赛的性质，希望大家不要太在意，大事化小，小事化了吧。[几度 (9-9 13:16, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]16楼
(引用 几度:一点意见这次我们摆了一个大乌龙，实在也不好说什么。外援不外援的，涉及到棋会间的一些敏感话题，我只能以个人的身份说（官方言论让梁华...)Maybe my choice of words are wrongI apologise any wrong issues regarding my choice of words that might offend anybody or any clubs.
I will try to use a less offensive word.
Also, please note I am also not the official spokesman of my club. So as with the last post, what I say do not represent the club's ideals and opinions.[marauder (9-9 13:33, Long long ago)]
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(引用 marauder:Maybe my choice of words are wrongI apologise any wrong issues regarding my choice of words that might offend anybody or any clu...)刚和marauder聊了一下marauder只是想帮自己的队澄清一下，其实论坛也不需要搞到太严肃。“外援”的提法敏感了一点，尤其是用作个人意见时容易引起误会。以后如果有类似情况，也不涉及直接利益冲突的，要不就说“友情客串”吧。[几度 (9-9 13:55, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]18楼
(引用 卷心菜:成绩报告：甘榜格南8分获得冠军！哥南亚逸A，飞鹰，白沙东5分并列第二。成绩报告：甘榜格南8分获得冠军！哥南亚逸A，飞鹰，白沙东5分并列...)Clarify on "team friendly match" related matters ....
I went out after my last posting to agree with
"Players for more than a team－－我的一点意见 － by 卷心菜"
and came back a few minutes ago.
My purpose is just to touch on "team friendly match" to use all own players (in this case, the kolam ayer team event) instead of external players for matches between two or more different clubs with no intention to touch on Boon Lay training match. (In fact, I give my support to Boon Lay training plan for their players regardless whether to use any external player.)
Actually, I believe that the Bishan players did not feel bad although we scored last in the 3 years (2005, 2006 & 2007) at Kolam Ayer as the main purposes are for 3 years anniversary celebration programmes and our priorities were to send EXCO members to these type of events and to include some non-EXCO members if we need to put up more players.
I hope that I do not use any offensive words in these few postings.
Furthermore, if we have some good suggestions from these few related discussions and resulted in the positive development of xiangqi activities in Singapore over the next 5 to 10 years, it could be viewed as unintentional benefits for all the Singapore xiangqi lovers.
As mentioned in my first posting, my personal view only.
With this, I wish to close this topic and move on.
Thanks.
[棋人生 (9-10 0:42, Long long ago)]
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(引用 几度:What do you mean by Grade 2?甲级，乙级，碧山二级，还是其他级别？)I noticed that she played 5 games on Friday night ....of course, these 5 games were played for fun by the 4 players (she and 3 SIXGA members) (by the way, 棋人生 not in these few games)
she won a SIXGA Gr 2 player for 2 games
followed by
won a SIXGA no-grade player for 2 games
followed by
lost to a SIXGA Gr 2 player for 1 game. [棋人生 (9-10 0:49, Long long ago)]
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