(引用 ddggmmnn:特专业了。。。我out了)能看出不同感觉来的 不叫out 这才叫in 哈哈[nakoru (7-29 10:51, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]21楼
他们把楼歪了帮你歪回来. 觉得很不容易啊, 满眼的出轨和小三, 要记清谁和谁真得很用心[Eight (7-29 13:45, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]22楼
(引用 Eight:他们把楼歪了帮你歪回来. 觉得很不容易啊, 满眼的出轨和小三, 要记清谁和谁真得很用心)其实这楼歪的挺好，我写完那“影评”就后悔了……严格讲，我就是写了一个精简的流水帐，还称不上影评
就想说明一个字——俗
若非要解释一下呢：就是借着一堆俗套想表现一些清高的事情，结果把俗搞得更俗……
唉……可怜俺滴高圆圆啊，就这么成了一个游走在初恋和大款之间的小三了>.<`````````[Merlin (7-29 22:19, Long long ago)]
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(引用 Merlin:其实这楼歪的挺好，我写完那“影评”就后悔了……严格讲，我就是写了一个精简的流水帐，还称不上影评 就想说明一个字——俗 若非要解释一...)还是说说inception比较好～^^[Merlin (7-29 22:20, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]24楼
(引用 akito:插个花：inception真好看啊，虽然看到后来我头晕眼花晕车一样。。。到最后所有能撞的都撞，再加爆破，再加自由落体。。。我整个晕车了，�...)锁在柜子里的那个陀螺就是马蹄总说的那个放失的内心。[功夫熊猫 (7-29 22:39, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]25楼
(引用 功夫熊猫:锁在柜子里的那个陀螺就是马蹄总说的那个放失的内心。)马蹄？阿猫啊，你来点实在的啊～～[Merlin (7-29 23:09, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]26楼
(引用 akito:插个花：inception真好看啊，虽然看到后来我头晕眼花晕车一样。。。到最后所有能撞的都撞，再加爆破，再加自由落体。。。我整个晕车了，�...)补充：结局真正解密的分析！！！！《转载》** WARNING: This is long, and every word of it contains spoilers. Beware **
**注意：这很长，文章每个字都是剧透。慎入**
It is NOT a dream: The WEDDING RING gives it away.
这不是个梦：婚戒泄露了真相
I have now seen this movie three times. The first time I saw it I thought it was not a dream and he was home. When I saw discussions to the contrary, I saw it again looking for any clues to tell whether he is dreaming the whole time, and questioned the ending thoroughly. It was not until I saw a post about someone saying he is only wearing a wedding ring when he dreams. Multiple people shot it down saying that they saw him wearing it in reality or that he was not wearing it in this dream or that one. My third viewing had me looking for the ring in almost every shot, seeing if his totem ever falls in a dream (Something someone said happened), looking at his children's faces to see if they are the same, etc.
我已经看了三遍这电影。第一次我看时，我想这不是个梦，他是回家了。当我看到相反的争论时，我再看了一遍，来寻找任何能告知自始至终他是否在做梦的线索，并完全怀疑这个结局。直到我看到一个帖子说他只在他做梦的时候戴着结婚戒指。许多人反驳说他们看到他在现实中戴着它，或者他不是在这个或者那个梦中戴着戒指。我第三次观影就在任何一个场景中寻找这个戒指，观察他的图腾是否在梦中停下来过（有人说发生过的），观察他的孩子们的脸来判断他们是否还是一样的，等等。
My analysis as follows:
我的分析如下：
The Wedding Ring:
结婚戒指
We start the movie with Cobb in limbo with Saito, he is wearing a ring. Step back to the beginning, he is trying to convince Saito to let him into his mind to help protect it, this takes place in a dream two layers down. He is wearing a wedding ring. Things go south and we wake up in the apartment, where we think an angry mob is really coming down the street. They threaten Saito's life with him thinking it is reality, only for him to discover otherwise. In this entire scene Cobb is wearing a wedding ring. Wake up on the train, NO WEDDING RING. In the hotel suite on the phone with his kids, NO WEDDING RING. On the roof talking to Saito, NO WEDDING RING. France, the architecture university, NO WEDDING RING. The coffee shop in Ariadne's first shared dream, Cobb is wearing his wedding ring, she freaks out. They wake up in the workshop, NO WEDDING RING. They go back under and Ariadne explores the physics of the dreamworld, again Cobb is wearing a wedding ring.
电影随着Cobb（Leo演的）和Saito（斋藤）在梦境中开始，他戴着一个戒指。倒退回最开始时，他正努力说服Saito让他进入他的意识去保护他，这发生在2层深的梦中。他戴着一个婚戒。事情黄了然后我们在公寓中醒来，现实中有一群暴民正沿着街道行进。他们威胁Saito相信这是现实。在这个全部场景中，Cobb戴着一个婚戒。在列车中醒来，没有婚戒。在饭店房间打电话给孩子时，没有婚戒。在屋顶和Saito说话时，没有婚戒。法国，建筑大学，没有婚戒。在Ariadne的第一个被分享的梦中的咖啡店里，Cobb戴着他的婚戒，她吓坏了。他们在工作间里醒来，没有婚戒。他们回到梦中，Ariadne发现梦中世界的物理学时，Cobb再次戴着他的戒指。
Cobb goes to see Eames, the entire time not wearing a ring. He meets the new chemist, still no ring. The chemist gives him a quick taste of his latest potion, in that scene we get a quick glimpse of his hand with a WEDDING RING. Wakes up, no ring. See the pattern?
Cobb去看Eames，这整段时间都没戴婚戒。他见了新药剂师，还是没戒指。药剂师给了他一剂最新药让他快速尝试，在那个场景中我们看到他戴着婚戒的手快速的一闪。醒了过来，没有戒指。看到了吗？
So finally, the inception. We are on the plane, we clearly see is not wearing a ring. Level 1, WEDDING RING, Level 2, WEDDING RING, Level 3 WEDDING RING, Limbo he is wearing his WEDDING RING.
所以最后，《盗梦空间》。我们在飞机上，我们清楚看到没有戴戒指。第一层，戴着，第二层，戴着，第三层，戴着，梦境中他一直戴着婚戒。
After he meets Saito as an old man, the conversation continues past what we saw in the beginning, yet even here he is wearing a WEDDING RING still. Then, when Saito reaches for the gun, we are on an airplane. He is not wearing a wedding ring here.
在他看到已是老头样的Saito之后，会谈继续经过我们在一开始看到的，在那时他仍然一直戴着婚戒。然后，当Saito去够枪，我们就在飞机上了。在那里，他一直没有带婚戒。
HERE IS THE KEY. As he is walking through the terminal, no ring, as he is greeted by father in law, no ring, when he gets home and spins his totem, no ring.
这里就是关键。当他穿过过航站楼，没有戒指，当他的岳父欢迎他时，没有戒指，当他到家和旋转他的图腾时，没有戒指。
In his dreams he is married to Mal still, as she can still exist there. In reality, he knows she is dead and does not wear a wedding ring as he is no longer married. A simple yet easily unnoticed way to test which parts are reality.
在他的梦中他仍然和Mal结婚，她可以仍旧存活在梦中。在现实里，他知道她已经死了，没有戴婚戒表示他已经不再结婚。一个简单而容易忽视的方式去推测哪段是真实的。
Not done there, I investigated another thing, Cobb's totem:
在那之前，我研究了另外一个东西，Cobb的图腾：
I have seen many posts of people saying his totem falls when he is in others' dreams. This is simply not true. People say it wobbles and falls over in the beginning. I watched and listened closely, Saito spins the top and we hear it spinning as the scene cuts to the young Saito. Then, in the end when we see him old again, he looks down and it is still spinning, he knows he is not in reality and goes for the gun.
我已经看过很多人的帖子，说他的图腾在别人的梦中倒下了。这是完全不正确的。人们说它在一开始的时候摆动、翻倒。我看了和仔细听了，Saito转动顶部，当画面转入Saito年轻的时候我们听到它旋转着。然后，在结束时我们再一次看到他老的样子，他往下看，它还是在不听地转，他知道他不在现实中就拿起了枪。
When Cobb uses inception on Mal, it continues and never stops. In the hotel after the failed Saito mission, it falls. A funny thing to note is that every scene in which the top spins endlessly he is wearing a WEDDING RING. In the scenes in which it topples, he is not.
当Cobb在Mal身上用了inception时，它在继续着没有停。在酒店那Saito失败的任务后，它停下来了。一个有趣的发现：每个陀螺无休止旋转的场景里他总是戴着婚戒。在它倒下的场景里，他就没戴。
Now, the awakening scene. Looks an awful lot like a dream right? Not really. He wakes up on the plane surprised, but everyone is smiling. They woke up from the sedatives, but Cobb and Saito were down in limbo. When they got back, everyone is happy to see he made it, Saito looks just as stunned only backing up the fact that he really snapped back to reality. They are all getting bags, going through customs, etc. Everyone looks at each other with a grin because they know inception worked and that Cobb is finally home. Not very dream-like except that it seems like a dream come true. Had the scene after he and Saito with the gun been him in his home, him on his way to his home, etc, I would think it is a dream. No, he awakens in EXACTLY the place he went to sleep to start inception. You never really know how you get to where you are in a dream, do you? Then how does he know he is on a plane and just successfully completed inception on Robert Fischer, the man in front of him?
现在说说那个唤醒的场景。看到那帮傻货很像一场梦是吧？不见得。他在飞机上意外地醒来，但是每个人都在微笑。他们从镇静剂中醒来，但是Cobb和Saito还深处梦境。当他们回来时，所有人都很开心看到他做到了，Saito看起来震惊地接受这个突然回到现实的事实。他们一起拿箱子，过了海关，等等。每个人看对方露齿而笑因为他们知道inception成功了，Cobb最终回家了。若不是如梦一般，这真似梦成真。在他和Saito够枪之后在他家的场景以及他回家的路上等等的场景，我想它是一个梦。不，他醒来时的确回到了那个他睡去去展开inception的地方。你永远不知道你怎么去你梦中世界的，对吧？然后他怎么知道他在一架飞机上，而且成功地在那个坐在他前面的Robert Fischer身上完成了inception？
Finally, the home scene. Looks like a dream? In this case, yes it does. we see the children exactly where they were, doing the same thing, wearing the same clothes. They appear the same age. On my second viewing this was red flag that it was a dream. But on my third viewing I noticed slight differences, such as the kids looking slightly older. The cast list has two sets of kids listed, ones slightly older than the others. They are not voice casts but actual actors in the film. I especially noticed a difference as the camera pans towards the totem, I chose to focus on the back door with the kids. The girl is seen throwing herself on her father, in this scene she looks clearly older than the memory he has of her.
最后讲讲家里的场景。看起来像个梦？这种情况说来，的确是的。我们看到孩子们还在做同样的事，穿着同样的衣服。他们还是相同的年龄。在我的第二次观影时发现这是个惹人生气的信号：这是个梦。但在我第三次观影时，我注意到细微的不同点，例如孩子们看起来长大了些。演员表列着两个孩子，一个稍微比另一个大些。他们不是配音演员而是电影里的实际演员。我特别注意到一个不同点，就在画面摇摄那个图腾的时候。我聚焦在有孩子们的后门上。那个女孩看起来是跳到她父亲的身上，在这个场景中她看起来明显比他记忆中的孩子更大些。
And of course, the totem itself. I watched each spin my third time through. It spun flawlessly for a while, began to wobble slightly, then started a hard wobble then fall. In the final scene it appears to be spinning smoothly for a long time, he probably gave it a lot of power. It starts to slightly wobble, and the screen goes black after it begins a HARD WOBBLE as if it is about to topple, not correct itself.
当然了，还有图腾本身，我第三次看时每次旋转都看完了。它会一段时间完美无瑕地旋转起来，会轻微颠簸下，然后大幅度摇晃最后停下。在最后场景中，它平滑地旋转了很长一段时间，他可能给它很大一股劲儿。它开始轻微摇晃，就在它开始大幅度摇晃像要倒下而不是校准自身时，屏幕就变黑了。
Conclusion: The movie isn't a dream, Cobb isn't caught in some "limbo that looks a lot like reality." Cobb spends the entire movie trying to get to his kids in reality, why would he settle for shades in a limbo? What proof is there that he is dreaming the whole time? If he is dreaming at the end, where is he dreaming? Limbo? So he goes from talking to Saito to just waking up on a plane, all as a part of a dream in limbo? Really? Think about it.
结论：这个电影不是一场梦，Cobb没有困在什么“梦境看起来很像现实。”Cobb花了一整部电影的时间努力去在现实中回到孩子身边，为什么让他满足于梦境中的影子？有什么证明说他自始至终一直在做梦？如果他梦到了结局，他又在哪里做梦？梦境中？所以他从和Saito对话就仅仅是为了上一架飞机，作为全部梦境中的一段？真的么？想想吧。
Nolan would never take the "eeet was aaaaalll a dreeeeaaaammmmm" cliche way out. But the fact that he cut the film before the top falls over does have a meaning. He is planting a seed of doubt in your mind. He uses inception on the audience to have them question the ending. The concept of the movie thus becomes reality to the viewer, a heavy thing to think about and something that hasn't been done before.
Nolan（电影导演）不会拿出“这~是~一~个~梦~”这样的陈词滥调。但事实是他剪掉了在陀螺倒下的片段说明有一个含义。他是在你脑中种下了一个怀疑的种子。他在观众身上用了inception的方式以使观众探究这个结局。因此这部电影的思想对观影者来说成为了现实，更深刻地去思考那些从前从不会做过的事。
But all the evidence points to reality.
[Merlin (9-6 18:48, Long long ago)]
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(引用 akito:插个花：inception真好看啊，虽然看到后来我头晕眼花晕车一样。。。到最后所有能撞的都撞，再加爆破，再加自由落体。。。我整个晕车了，�...)再补充：一场梦的开始，一场爱的终结 ZZ
最近郁闷而又偶有闲暇，便去看了这部评分为9的大作。
关于故事的复杂和纠缠性，版上分析很多，就不班门弄斧了。其次观后，吸引我的并不仅是这些，而是一些小小的、悄悄的情节。
Cobb和女人为实验造梦而踏入梦境世界，在这个梦幻的国度里，时间不再是奢侈品。他们携手度过了50年的时间，创造，建筑，散步，梦境，迷一般的世界，天堂一般的宁静。在Limbo里，女人问，这就是永恒的世界吗？她痴迷于这些厮守的快乐和安逸。嗯，我能想到的最浪漫的事，就是和你一起慢慢变老。但Cobb告诉自己，这是梦，这不是真实的，我要回到现实的世界里去。最终，在一列火车的呼啸声中，他们得偿所愿了。在这个世界里，有家，有人群，有孩子，但种植在脑海里的Inception却让女人开始怀疑这只是一场梦，嗯，只是一场梦，他们的现实不在这里。她开始说服Cobb和她一起自杀，回到真正的现实里去。Cobb无法答应，于是在那个 oh，my god的呼唤声中，女人像一只扑火的蝴蝶般头朝下的实现kick了。唯留Cobb的逃亡和内疚，但是在一次次的梦境里，女人的幻影总是出现，不是破坏，就是哀伤的质问，你不爱我了吗？你怎么不和我一起，来这个真实的世界里携手共老呢？Cobb在慢慢的崩溃里挣扎，在严禁的记忆梦境里徘徊，却不知哪一次才是真的醒，哪一次才能看到孩子的笑脸。
嗯，那次的旅行用了一生的时间，那次的旅行却只是昨天的梦境。Cobb站在这曾经的记忆里，昨天的建筑依然，昨天的河流依旧，昨天的妻子依然那般的哀伤和期待，Cobb却知道，这只是一场梦，只是一场梦，可是，这真的只是一场梦吗？
漫步梦境的海边，清澈明亮。 阳光炽烈，宛如一千年前，那映照淳于棼醒来后的西墙，依然这般。这所有的一切，就象一场梦，好象从来没有来过，又好像从未曾离开过。后来重归的时候，所有的建筑已经破败，次第的剥落、倒塌，在海中激起浑浊的波浪。这所有经历的日子，不过是一眨眼的工夫，象一场梦，不知道此刻身在何处，好象很真实，却又明白只是在梦中，这熟悉又陌生的地方，这熟悉又陌生的梦，这熟悉又陌生的生活，一切的一切。
不变的，却是女人永恒的等待。也许对女人来说，那次的坠落只是像醒来了一个梦，象告别了一个世界，离开了一个梦里的生活，虚幻而肮脏的世界。
但女人的拥抱挽不回Cobb的决心，女人编织的生活打不消Cobb的梦幻感,女人用孩子也说服不了Cobb留下，最终，女人用手里的刀证明了自己的失望和梦想的破灭。一场梦，是该醒了；一场厮守的童话里的爱，也是该结束的时候了。
最后的结局如让我设计，会是这样的：Cobb回到了自己的家，看到了想念已久的孩子，还有梦中那永远也转不过来的笑脸，长长的舒了口气。两个孩子兴奋的跑来，身后却传来一声叫喊，你们去哪里？然后一张熟悉的脸慢慢的过来了，正是那个女人，这时陀螺清脆的倒地。over，一场梦的醒，还是一场梦的Inception？
ps: 乱写，随便写的。。只看了一遍，轻拍。
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[Merlin (9-6 18:50, Long long ago)]
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