华新 - 新加坡2009年（第二季）全国象棋锦标赛章程和报名表（总贴）

在吕大侠的大作中提到：

WALKOVER ISSUE!If one or two of the top 8 player OFFICIALLY!! declare to withdraw from the compeitition. THE RIGHT THING TO DO is to allow the 9th or 10th position player to play in the quarter finals. So as to ensure no WALKOVER and thus maintaining integrity of the compeitition. If there was no official statement endorse to the organiser for withdrawing from the compeitition by any of the top 8 players. Then it would also be right for the organiser to not allow the 9th or 10th player to enter the quarter finals. i have heard about the zhuang cai jun and chen jing ling case. i hope that sixga can seriously consider letting chen jing ling to enter quarter finals. For Zhuang cai jun if you have not officially declare to sixga then i suggest you do, that is if you really are unable to turn up due to personal reasons. Give the boy a chance to prove himself. I'm sure SIXGA wouldn't want TO ANYHOW!! promote anyone to 'B' grade by WALKOVER. I'm sure that all the xiangqi enthusiast in SG don't wan (more...)

Actually, anyone know what is the organiser stand and final decision? (NM)

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在碧山的大作中提到：

A study of Methods used in Singapore Xiangqi Open ..... A study of Methods used in Singapore Xiangqi Open ..... SIXGA may wish to conduct a review after this 2009 Singapore Open Group B 2nd Season. Please refer to previous post below : -- Learning from the methods used in the last 5 years ....... http://v15.huasing.org/bbs.php?B=123_11199095 As indicated previously in Jun 2009, the current 7 + 3 八人淘汰 system has a critical round, i.e. Round 8, to decide all promotion cases and the recent withdrawal of 卷心菜 has generated a number of concerns. To improve the system further, there are few alternatives : -- (1) 八人双败淘汰 -- 7 + 3 method for this method, the player with 双败 in the last three rounds not to be promoted, in this case, if someone win with a walkover in Round 8 but having 双败 in Rounds 9 and 10 will not be promoted. after first round 胜者组 4人 select positions 1, 2, 3 and 5 负者组 4人 select positions 4, 6, 7 and 8 Position and results 1 胜胜胜胜者组 2 胜胜负胜者� (more...)

呵呵，是啊，八强三轮简易双败淘汰制需要八强棋手胜2场才能晋级。

今年6月，针对象总首次采用的8强3轮淘汰制的改进（优于7轮4强直接晋级），我在此基础上设计了一个强三轮简易双败淘汰制，可以继续讨论和改进。也可以在其他一些比赛中先试验试验，找出优缺点。

这种赛制的好处是八强棋手胜2场才能晋级，也不会败一场就淘汰，即使有一人有急事walkover也不会直接造成对手晋级。

八人双败淘汰 -- 7 + 3 method

胜者组 4人 select positions 1, 2, 3 and 5
负者组 4人 select positions 4, 6, 7 and 8

Position and results

1 胜胜胜胜者组
2 胜胜负胜者组
3 胜负胜胜者组
4 负胜胜
5 胜负负胜者组
6 负胜负
7 负负胜
8 负负负

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在卷心菜的大作中提到：

呵呵，是啊，八强三轮简易双败淘汰制需要八强棋手胜2场才能晋级。今年6月，针对象总首次采用的8强3轮淘汰制的改进（优于7轮4强直接晋级），我在此基础上设计了一个强三轮简易双败淘汰制，可以继续讨论和改进。也可以在其他一些比赛中先试验试验，找出优缺点。这种赛制的好处是八强棋手胜2场才能晋级，也不会败一场就淘汰，即使有一人有急事walkover也不会直接造成对手晋级。八人双败淘汰 -- 7 + 3 method 胜者组 4人 select positions 1, 2, 3 and 5 负者组 4人 select positions 4, 6, 7 and 8 Position and results 1 胜胜胜胜者组 2 胜胜负胜者组 3 胜负胜胜者组 4 负胜胜 5 胜负负胜者组 6 负胜负 7 负负胜 8 负负负

Well done! EXCELLENT IDEA! Things should always be changing for the better

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在吕大侠的大作中提到：

吕大侠 maybe you can...

consolidate your thoughts for a few hours then post unless you are trying to create a special effects in the postings.

You seems to be everywhere discussing in the same post discussing about the same issue.

So far you are the only one who can consistently have best results with my opening. Hope to have chance to learn from you at CXQ again after Xmas.

:-)

--kurubear

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在卷心菜的大作中提到：

So it is still played over 3 rounds? (NM)

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在吕大侠的大作中提到：

With so much excitement, hopefully, more ppl will be at this week matches (NM)

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在卷心菜的大作中提到：

No lah, you suggested 简易8强双败4轮淘汰制 ........

No lah, you suggested 简易8强双败4轮淘汰制 but I saw example in China Competition but could not locate the article, later found in this year a competition in Malaysia.

鉴于个人赛不可能有那么多时间，现提出简洁版4轮方案。－卷心菜　2009-06-04 16:26 (809 bytes , 92reads )

国际惯例 -- is there a system for 3 rounds 八人双败淘汰 ? －碧山　2009-06-04 18:54 (382 bytes , 56reads )

第三届棋总杯大马象棋精英争霸赛 .......2009年7月24日至26日 rank －碧山　2009-07-31 14:38 (2116 bytes , 97 reads )

* 争霸赛前三轮双败淘汰赛，至少取得2胜才能踏步四强。－碧山　2009-07-31 14:57 (0 bytes , 71 reads )

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在卷心菜的大作中提到：

Is there a picture form to visualise with? ...

- Maybe you can send me the details later this weekend
- and we make it easier for others to understand through diagrams or sth ,
- put out on web then
- we further discuss at huasing.org

We should not waste the efforts put in so far to develop sth that suits Singapore scene more.

-kurubear

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在卷心菜的大作中提到：

In this case is 5 people max will promote? (NM)

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在吕大侠的大作中提到：

BTW, this walkover is for 1 or 3 days of the event? (NM)

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在碧山的大作中提到：

if all 7 players agree to 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制 ..........

八强三轮简易双败淘汰制需要八强棋手胜2场才能晋级。

if all 7 players agree to 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制, then may be SIXGA can consider to implement it for the next three days, of course, in this case 卷心菜 is 8th position or no ranking position.

The good point is there is no change to the pairings for the next three rounds except you need to interchange the positions for 4th and 5th, in this situation, 胡伟良 needs to get a win in Rounds 9 or 10 before promotion, otherwise, his position is 5th under 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制 even he has a walkover tomorrow evening.

Position and results for 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制

1 胜胜胜胜者组
2 胜胜负胜者组
3 胜负胜胜者组
4 负胜胜
5 胜负负胜者组
6 负胜负
7 负负胜
8 负负负

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在碧山的大作中提到：

if all 7 players agree to 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制 .......... 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制需要八强棋手胜2场才能晋级。 if all 7 players agree to 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制, then may be SIXGA can consider to implement it for the next three days, of course, in this case 卷心菜 is 8th position or no ranking position. The good point is there is no change to the pairings for the next three rounds except you need to interchange the positions for 4th and 5th, in this situation, 胡伟良 needs to get a win in Rounds 9 or 10 before promotion, otherwise, his position is 5th under 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制 even he has a walkover tomorrow evening. Position and results for 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制 1 胜胜胜胜者组 2 胜胜负胜者组 3 胜负胜胜者组 4 负胜胜 5 胜负负胜者组 6 负胜负 7 负负胜 8 负负负

Maybe hard for organiser to make informed decision at such short notice (NM)

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在 kurubear 的大作中提到：

Maybe hard for organiser to make informed decision at such short notice (NM)

I have called SIXGA on this matter ......

I have called SIXGA on 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制, even if SIXGA agrees to implement, all 7 players need to agree before the Round 8 starts tomorrow evening.

In fact, all positions no change except Positions 4th and 5th for

八强三轮简易双败淘汰制

and

八强三轮淘汰制.

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在 155HgFH88 的大作中提到：

I think it's only fair to stick to the rules of the competition.The original rules have already stated that the top 8 players will qualify for the quarter-final and it should be honoured. Whether 卷心菜 turns up or not should not be used as a consideration to admit Chen Jing Ling to the quarter-final. This holds true even for international competitions. If a sportsman is absent from a match for whatever reason, it is considered a walkover and that no replacement is allowed.

2 points...

- ours only national tournament. Other people rules is for our reference. Good cats we adopt, bad cats we run far away from them. Probably we should explore options so long as it fits the long term positive development of the sports.

- if it is a withdrawal from the tournament for all 3 days, then it affects a total of 3 matches. I am not sure if replacement is not allowed or because of the difficulty of locating the next best International enemy. Anyone familiar with this issue?

People say Singapore just a little red dot, so maybe still can mobilise the next best suited local enemy and so on as replacement. I am sure s/he will not complain of the chance.

----kurubear

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