新加坡2009年(第二季)全国象棋锦标赛章程和报名表(总贴)
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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-17 10:14:53  241楼
Study more, talk less.
You mean what kind of study? Group, buddy...? (NM)
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2009-12-17 10:17:21  242楼
can ask hu wei liang if he accept 9th position challenger since he's involve.
It is not only 胡伟良 if 庄才钧 is removed and put in 陈靖麟 ......

It is not only 胡伟良 if 庄才钧 is removed and put in 陈靖麟.

The new pairings should be …..

廖铭濠 vs 陈靖麟

施由炳 vs 赵金山

陈茗芳 vs 胡伟良

林家勇 vs 巫汉梃

Organiser(s) should know the situation best.

Usually, in any competition, we do not move the pole when the people are running..... one example is 2006 Singapore Open, two vacant positions were not filled up by moving up Positions 21 and 22. (for that year, up to first 20 could be promoted.)
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作者:吕大侠 (等级:4 - 马马虎虎,发帖:309) 发表:2009-12-17 10:23:15  243楼
how can there be integrity on that(skill of one)with walkover win(less accurate)
by the way, wei liang's buch pts is 24.5 jing ling is 28, almost 4 pts diff !!
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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-17 10:28:40  244楼
HOWEVER, FINAL DECISION IS STILL SIXGA PREROGATIVE & SHOULD BE HONORED.
Agree ...
Based on the fact that the issue is not covered under any of the rules except Rule 14 under the tournament Rules & Regulation, the organiser will have final say to ensure what is best for the event. Hence, their decision is final and has to be respected based on their own set of reasons.

Even though there are some differing views of how to proceed with the Quaterfinals Round 8, these should be left to be reviewed should the organiser decide to proceed with current arrangement. By doing so, we don't miss out on the most important people in this tournament, the TOP8 players to give them encouragement and for us not to lose focus on what is important for CHIchess future in Singapore.

----kurubear
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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-17 10:30:50  245楼
could all think from the position of 胡伟良 ........ could all think from the position of 胡伟良. From the existing rules, only Top 8 of first 7 rounds are qualified for the 3 rounds of Final regardless 卷心菜 withdraw or not. Since the rule did not talk about cases of withdraw for the 3 rounds of Final, any changes now could result in the appeal of 胡伟良. When we introduce any change, we need to study all points. I believe SIXGA Committee of this Singapore Open Event (Rule No. 14) has considered all points before the release of pairings for Round 8. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last but not least, tomorrow evening, I will go and support the lady player 陈茗芳 and forget about the above issue .....
Agree, help the players focus on their important matches. (NM)
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作者:吕大侠 (等级:4 - 马马虎虎,发帖:309) 发表:2009-12-17 10:31:57  246楼
I think it's only fair to stick to the rules of the competition.The original rules have already stated that the top 8 players will qualify for the quarter-final and it should be honoured. Whether 卷心菜 turns up or not should not be used as a consideration to admit Chen Jing Ling to the quarter-final. This holds true even for international competitions. If a sportsman is absent from a match for whatever reason, it is considered a walkover and that no replacement is allowed.
i agree as well.
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作者:吕大侠 (等级:4 - 马马虎虎,发帖:309) 发表:2009-12-17 10:33:44  247楼
however, depends on which perspective you choose to view the situation.
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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-17 10:39:16  248楼
It is not only 胡伟良 if 庄才钧 is removed and put in 陈靖麟 ...... It is not only 胡伟良 if 庄才钧 is removed and put in 陈靖麟. The new pairings should be ….. 廖铭濠 vs 陈靖麟 施由炳 vs 赵金山 陈茗芳 vs 胡伟良 林家勇 vs 巫汉梃 Organiser(s) should know the situation best. Usually, in any competition, we do not move the pole when the people are running..... one example is 2006 Singapore Open, two vacant positions were not filled up by moving up Positions 21 and 22. (for that year, up to first 20 could be promoted.)
If this is a replacement issue, then the pairing is not affected...
The 9th player is not part of the TOP8 but is to REPLACE the walkover player. This player can only be promoted only if s/he hold TOP3 ranking, 4th-8th not counted except prize money. This is not an easy task for this player. If we change the pairing then it goes against the TOP8 qualifying rules.

---kurubear
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作者:piggy888 (等级:4 - 马马虎虎,发帖:101) 发表:2009-12-17 10:40:50  249楼
WALKOVER ISSUE!If one or two of the top 8 player OFFICIALLY!! declare to withdraw from the compeitition. THE RIGHT THING TO DO is to allow the 9th or 10th position player to play in the quarter finals. So as to ensure no WALKOVER and thus maintaining integrity of the compeitition. If there was no official statement endorse to the organiser for withdrawing from the compeitition by any of the top 8 players. Then it would also be right for the organiser to not allow the 9th or 10th player to enter the quarter finals. i have heard about the zhuang cai jun and chen jing ling case. i hope that sixga can seriously consider letting chen jing ling to enter quarter finals. For Zhuang cai jun if you have not officially declare to sixga then i suggest you do, that is if you really are unable to turn up due to personal reasons. Give the boy a chance to prove himself. I'm sure SIXGA wouldn't want TO ANYHOW!! promote anyone to 'B' grade by WALKOVER. I'm sure that all the xiangqi enthusiast in SG don't wan (more...)
Amendments to the rule needed in this special case.....
In view of the walkover, I do feel that it is unfair for a player to get 乙级 this way.

What I recommend is this, in order for a player to get promoted to 乙级, the player must achieve 1 win (excluding those achieved by walkover) in the knockout round.

Example, Player A gets into the semi final through walkover. Player A will not get 乙级 but still have to win in the semi final.

I hope SIXGA will seriously consider this recommendation as I feel last minute pull out is inevitable in a competition which last for weeks.
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作者:吕大侠 (等级:4 - 马马虎虎,发帖:309) 发表:2009-12-17 10:42:40  250楼
It is not only 胡伟良 if 庄才钧 is removed and put in 陈靖麟 ...... It is not only 胡伟良 if 庄才钧 is removed and put in 陈靖麟. The new pairings should be ….. 廖铭濠 vs 陈靖麟 施由炳 vs 赵金山 陈茗芳 vs 胡伟良 林家勇 vs 巫汉梃 Organiser(s) should know the situation best. Usually, in any competition, we do not move the pole when the people are running..... one example is 2006 Singapore Open, two vacant positions were not filled up by moving up Positions 21 and 22. (for that year, up to first 20 could be promoted.)
There is no easy answer to life's question.
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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-17 10:42:54  251楼
The only way to up the standard is to hold more competitionsBy holding more competitions, it would improve the chess feel of players. It is also crucial to find young talent at schools due to higher living standards inclined towards married couples. Compared to the past, more people are moving towards their career and family and spending less time on chess. My guess for this is because couples cannot do this together. It also depends on the nature of their jobs. Those working in banks as an analyst would obviously not have the time to take leave to play chess compared to a property or insurance agent.
In this case...
Could there be a tournament system that can be inclusive of them?

---kurubear
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作者:吕大侠 (等级:4 - 马马虎虎,发帖:309) 发表:2009-12-17 10:45:22  252楼
There is no easy answer to life's question.
question is do we take the easy way out or strive for the stars..
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作者:吕大侠 (等级:4 - 马马虎虎,发帖:309) 发表:2009-12-17 10:48:12  253楼
If this is a replacement issue, then the pairing is not affected...The 9th player is not part of the TOP8 but is to REPLACE the walkover player. This player can only be promoted only if s/he hold TOP3 ranking, 4th-8th not counted except prize money. This is not an easy task for this player. If we change the pairing then it goes against the TOP8 qualifying rules. ---kurubear
rules again, did u watch jack neo's movie " FOLLOW THE RULES "?
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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-17 10:52:27  254楼
rules again, did u watch jack neo's movie " FOLLOW THE RULES "?
Is that the movie where they throw the ERP sign into the sea? (NM)
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作者:吕大侠 (等级:4 - 马马虎虎,发帖:309) 发表:2009-12-17 10:53:26  255楼
however, depends on which perspective you choose to view the situation.
Rules maintain orderliness of an event, but is it always right?
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作者:吕大侠 (等级:4 - 马马虎虎,发帖:309) 发表:2009-12-17 11:00:32  256楼
Is that the movie where they throw the ERP sign into the sea? (NM)
Yup, that's the movie where at the end,breaking the rules help save many lifes.
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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-17 11:03:42  257楼
Amendments to the rule needed in this special case.....In view of the walkover, I do feel that it is unfair for a player to get 乙级 this way. What I recommend is this, in order for a player to get promoted to 乙级, the player must achieve 1 win (excluding those achieved by walkover) in the knockout round. Example, Player A gets into the semi final through walkover. Player A will not get 乙级 but still have to win in the semi final. I hope SIXGA will seriously consider this recommendation as I feel last minute pull out is inevitable in a competition which last for weeks.
A good point and we have to think of ...
the poor player who's enemy walkover is not his fault. This is like an indirect penalty which is unfair to him. At this stage is a knockout not a round robin system.

Mr Hoang Dinh Hong of Viet Nam once taught me that in CHIchess look for the simplest, direct way to win. Based on the same logic, it probably is a better idea to keep the rules simple yet able to handle contingencies without unnecessary penalizing outside the player's control.

---kurubear
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作者:吕大侠 (等级:4 - 马马虎虎,发帖:309) 发表:2009-12-17 11:05:11  258楼
Yup, that's the movie where at the end,breaking the rules help save many lifes.
lives not lifes, typo...
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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-17 11:08:57  259楼
Yup, that's the movie where at the end,breaking the rules help save many lifes.
Sorry, didn't watch the actual movie, only tralier, how did it save lives ? (NM)
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作者:吕大侠 (等级:4 - 马马虎虎,发帖:309) 发表:2009-12-17 11:11:19  260楼
A good point and we have to think of ...the poor player who's enemy walkover is not his fault. This is like an indirect penalty which is unfair to him. At this stage is a knockout not a round robin system. Mr Hoang Dinh Hong of Viet Nam once taught me that in CHIchess look for the simplest, direct way to win. Based on the same logic, it probably is a better idea to keep the rules simple yet able to handle contingencies without unnecessary penalizing outside the player's control. ---kurubear
piggy888 hav a good point, how can we have a walkover in the knockout stage?
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