as mentioned, I do not want to waste my energy in another hot ... as mentioned, I do not want to waste my energy in another hot discussion if any. As a forumer in 悟入棋途, I have talked enough in this example and my wish is to move on to other examples if time permits, i.e by end July 2008 as planned. You may ask why end July 2008 ? Not for me to tell everythings, right ? If you are still unable to get anythings from this example, it is better for you to ignore this example and move on too. Just to reproduce the last three sentenses of my post earlier ..... I hope I can help to do somethings as I still have a feel that I am part of 悟入棋途. After all these efforts, of course the easier way for me is to ignore all the negative thinkings in this forum and only concentrate on the positive thinkings. Anyway, one of the options is for me to leave this forum if I find that I could not contribute anymore to this forum.