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Singapore Xiangqi Development -- Positive Thinkings vs Negative Thinkings ....

as mentioned by Ë®Æå, it is better to look at both "positive views" and "negative views", but to a normal person, nobody will want their views to be labelled as negative.

In here, we may try to document some examples of xiangqi event results depending of having positive or negative thinkings .....
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Example 1 -- The postings in ÎòÈëÆå; in the past one week .....

There were 20 Ö÷Ìû posted in ÎòÈëÆå; during the past one week (19 to 25 July 2008) as below :

Singapore Xiangqi Development -- Positive Thinkings vs Negative Thinkings .... £­ ÆëÆôÆå¡¡300 bytes 2008-07-25 15:12 (15 reads)
Methods or Suggestions for ÆëÐÄЭÁ¦ ÍÆ¶¯ÏóÆå£¡£¡£¡ £­ ÆëÆôÆå¡¡227 bytes 2008-07-25 07:59 (21 reads)
Ҳ̸̸¹ØÓÚÏóÆåµÄÆðÔ´ ............. £­ ÆåÈå¡¡3134 bytes 2008-07-24 17:43 (30 reads)
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Reasons Why Singapore Open Organized in Boon Lay?? £­ ÐÂ¼ÓÆÂѼ×Ó¡¡549 bytes 2008-07-24 00:36 (47 reads)
What can a normal member do?? £­ ÐÂ¼ÓÆÂѼ×Ó¡¡1607 bytes 2008-07-24 00:36 (40 reads)
my first posting after ÆåÈËÉú ...... £­ ÆëÆôÆå¡¡146 bytes 2008-07-23 18:36 (51 reads)
To°æÖ÷:¾íÐÄ²Ë Ò»µ¶n¶Ï ÕÅÁÉ ........ £­ ÆëÆôÆå¡¡124 bytes 2008-07-23 12:38 (52 reads)
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the ugly of singapore £­ waterchess¡¡46 bytes 2008-07-22 23:29 (45 reads)
personal views from one of the SIXGA ordinary members ...... £­ ÆëÆôÆå¡¡1862 bytes 2008-07-22 18:53 (49 reads)
The Top Priority of Singapore Xiangqi ¡­¡­¡­ £­ ÆëÆôÆå¡¡1271 bytes 2008-07-22 12:30 (49 reads)
The ugly side of Singapore Chess 2!!! £­ ÐÂ¼ÓÆÂѼ×Ó¡¡720 bytes 2008-07-21 16:38 (92 reads)
The ugly of singapore chess 1!!!! £­ ÐÂ¼ÓÆÂѼ×Ó¡¡437 bytes 2008-07-21 16:31 (58 reads)
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Oct 2008 is a busy month for international events and next 5 months local events £­ ±Ìɽ¡¡175 bytes 2008-07-20 10:24 (55 reads)
ÏóÆåË«´ò¶Ô¾Ö(Ò»µ¶N¶Ï/ÕÅÁÉ VS ¼¸¶È/zyne) £­ ÕÅÁÉ¡¡1014 bytes 2008-07-20 00:12 (74 reads)
ÐÂ¼ÓÆÂÄÇÀïÓиßÊÖÏÂÆå£¿ £­ email123¡¡94 bytes 2008-07-19 12:12 (38 reads)

From these 20 Ö÷Ìû,
how many are considered having negative thinkings ?
are these forumers with negative thinkings having the intention to improve the xiangqi development in Singapore ?
How the internet users looking at these Ö÷Ìû with negative thinkings ?
Anyway to improve the situation so that ÎòÈëÆå; can contribute even better to the Singapore Xiangqi Development in future?

This is quite a major issue for discussion, but when I look at

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I hope I can help to do somethings as I still have a feel that I am part of ÎòÈëÆå;.

After all these efforts, of course the easier way for me is to ignore all the negative thinkings in this forum and only concentrate on the positive thinkings.

Anyway, one of the options is for me to leave this forum if I find that I could not contribute anymore to this forum.

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Example 1 -- The postings in ÎòÈëÆå; in the past one week ..... There were 20 Ö÷Ìû posted in ÎòÈëÆå; during the past one week (19 to 25 July 2008) as below : &#8226; Singapore Xiangqi Development -- Positive Thinkings vs Negative Thinkings .... £­ ÆëÆôÆå¡¡300 bytes 2008-07-25 15:12 (15 reads) &#8226; Methods or Suggestions for ÆëÐÄЭÁ¦ ÍÆ¶¯ÏóÆå£¡£¡£¡ £­ ÆëÆôÆå¡¡227 bytes 2008-07-25 07:59 (21 reads) &#8226; Ҳ̸̸¹ØÓÚÏóÆåµÄÆðÔ´ ............. £­ ÆåÈå¡¡3134 bytes 2008-07-24 17:43 (30 reads) &#8226; ÏëÖªµÀÐÂ¼ÓÆÂÓм¸¸öÌØ´ó¼¸¸ö´óʦ £­ Ì«ÑôºÚ×Ó¡¡93 bytes 2008-07-24 15:58 (32 reads) &#8226; Reasons Why Singapore Open Organized in Boon Lay?? £­ ÐÂ¼ÓÆÂѼ×Ó¡¡549 bytes 2008-07-24 00:36 (47 reads) &#8226; What can a normal member do?? £­ ÐÂ¼ÓÆÂѼ×Ó¡¡1607 bytes 2008-07-24 00:36 (40 reads) &#8226; my first posting after ÆåÈËÉú ...... £­ ÆëÆôÆå¡¡146 bytes 2008-07-23 18:36 (51 reads) &#8226; To°æÖ÷:¾íÐÄ²Ë Ò»µ¶n¶Ï ÕÅÁÉ ........ £­ ÆëÆôÆå¡¡124 bytes 2008-07-23 12:38 (52 reads) &#8226; ¡°µÀȪ²èÒ¶±­¡±ÏóÆåà (more...)
hmm i think all of the posts are non-negative..can ÆëÆôÆå share with us...
which post you think is an example of having negative thinkings, so maybe we can learn from it as well... Thanks
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hmm i think all of the posts are non-negative..can ÆëÆôÆå share with us...which post you think is an example of having negative thinkings, so maybe we can learn from it as well... Thanks
As mentioned, ........

nobody will want their views to be labelled as negative.

You may wish to learn from others closer to you.

You should not have any problem to study maximum of up to 20 forumers from these 20 Ö÷Ìû.

Of course, there are some ways of checking to help to identify those Ìû but I am unable to tell you the methods openly here.
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As mentioned, ........ nobody will want their views to be labelled as negative. You may wish to learn from others closer to you. You should not have any problem to study maximum of up to 20 forumers from these 20 Ö÷Ìû. Of course, there are some ways of checking to help to identify those Ìû but I am unable to tell you the methods openly here.
erm..i dont get it, but...why not?
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erm..i dont get it, but...why not?
as mentioned, I do not want to waste my energy in another hot ...

as mentioned, I do not want to waste my energy in another hot discussion if any.


As a forumer in ÎòÈëÆå;, I have talked enough in this example and my wish is to move on to other examples if time permits, i.e by end July 2008 as planned.

You may ask why end July 2008 ?

Not for me to tell everythings, right ?

If you are still unable to get anythings from this example, it is better for you to ignore this example and move on too.


Just to reproduce the last three sentenses of my post earlier .....



I hope I can help to do somethings as I still have a feel that I am part of ÎòÈëÆå;.

After all these efforts, of course the easier way for me is to ignore all the negative thinkings in this forum and only concentrate on the positive thinkings.

Anyway, one of the options is for me to leave this forum if I find that I could not contribute anymore to this forum.
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as mentioned, I do not want to waste my energy in another hot ... as mentioned, I do not want to waste my energy in another hot discussion if any. As a forumer in ÎòÈëÆå;, I have talked enough in this example and my wish is to move on to other examples if time permits, i.e by end July 2008 as planned. You may ask why end July 2008 ? Not for me to tell everythings, right ? If you are still unable to get anythings from this example, it is better for you to ignore this example and move on too. Just to reproduce the last three sentenses of my post earlier ..... I hope I can help to do somethings as I still have a feel that I am part of ÎòÈëÆå;. After all these efforts, of course the easier way for me is to ignore all the negative thinkings in this forum and only concentrate on the positive thinkings. Anyway, one of the options is for me to leave this forum if I find that I could not contribute anymore to this forum.
Just to help Ë®Æå in one of the ways in thinking .....

one of the °æÖ÷ has ËÍ»¨ to my this example, at least one of the °æÖ÷ has agreed that I have done somethings in giving this example in °ïÖúÍøÓÑ´´ÔìÁ¼ºÃµÄÍøÂç»·¾³.

These are some of the methods used by °æÖ÷.

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Example 2.1 -- The changes of SIXGA Constitution .....
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thanks ÆëÆôÆå, agree with you but i think that no matter what...
No matter isit a big issue like funding for SIXGA or small issue like complaining about something, they are all for the good of the SIXGA or organisers in the end, i mean if they do come and read the posts.

Even if they are not intended that way when the forumer posted it(say maybe they just want to spoil reputation or what), we can always view it in the way i have said, all about improving our organisers.

For all issues, like for example 'negative issues', we must and should all reason things out, it would be best to take note of every 'good and bad views' as they help to improve things. Therefore putting more concentration on big issue does not mean we can ignore these small issues. 'negative views' doesnt mean counterproductive, or rather in other words it may be some issue that SIXGA or organisers has neglected

A good boss is always ¹«Ö¤£¬¹«Æ½£¬¹«¿ª¡£So when it comes to rumors, i believe the boss would not be able to solve all of them, i think that it is almost impossible to do so because there are just too many possibilities to a certain thing, lets say for example Friend A told a joke to Friend B, but Friend B did not laugh, what can that mean? There are too many possibilities, the right reason may be seen as wrong and vice versa.

What i am trying to say here is that in this forum, it is the reason behind our claim, the factors that we bring out to support our claim that makes our postings convincing. If the 'boss' has seen negative posts in here, and purposely leave it there without explaining what is happening, of course the forumers's view may get biased and it would affect the morale and the trust given to the boss, therefore a lost in support from people.(this is a very important factor)

What i think the boss can do is to just explain ONCE with all reasons and supports, making post balanced with positive and negative views and therefore after that it would be up to individuals to think for themselves. But of course the boss cannot be biased and should be open to these post otherwise what he replies would all be nonsenses right?

i believe ÆëÆôÆå has tried to reason the so many things raised by all and therefore he is tired now. But although i may still have different views which i think should be right, i still appreciates ÆëÆôÆå for what he has done so far in forum for raising issues.

In conclusion, ¹«Æ½£¬¹«Õý£¬¹«¿ª£¡£¡£¡are the few main success factors for an organization. If forumers are reasonable and open-minded, discussions in here would be very fruitful!!

Thanks
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Example 2.1 -- The changes of SIXGA Constitution .....
Example 2.1.1 -- The Election Method of SIXGA EXCO

In 2004 and before, all life members and ordinary members are qualified as candidates for the Elections of EXCO, the SIXGA constitution was changed in 2004 for many areas including the removal of life memberships.

Starting 2006, only candidates who agreed to stand for the elections are qualified.
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thanks ÆëÆôÆå, agree with you but i think that no matter what...No matter isit a big issue like funding for SIXGA or small issue like complaining about something, they are all for the good of the SIXGA or organisers in the end, i mean if they do come and read the posts. Even if they are not intended that way when the forumer posted it(say maybe they just want to spoil reputation or what), we can always view it in the way i have said, all about improving our organisers. For all issues, like for example 'negative issues', we must and should all reason things out, it would be best to take note of every 'good and bad views' as they help to improve things. Therefore putting more concentration on big issue does not mean we can ignore these small issues. 'negative views' doesnt mean counterproductive, or rather in other words it may be some issue that SIXGA or organisers has neglected A good boss is always ¹«Ö¤£¬¹«Æ½£¬¹«¿ª¡£So when it comes to rumors, i believe the boss would not be able to solve all of them, i (more...)
Thanks for sharing your views here and I need to rush out ....
to open the Bishan Xiangqi Club club house by 10:30 am.

You may wish to pay a visit to Bishan Xiangqi Club or SIXGA on one of the Saturdays when you are free.
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thanks ÆëÆôÆå, agree with you but i think that no matter what...No matter isit a big issue like funding for SIXGA or small issue like complaining about something, they are all for the good of the SIXGA or organisers in the end, i mean if they do come and read the posts. Even if they are not intended that way when the forumer posted it(say maybe they just want to spoil reputation or what), we can always view it in the way i have said, all about improving our organisers. For all issues, like for example 'negative issues', we must and should all reason things out, it would be best to take note of every 'good and bad views' as they help to improve things. Therefore putting more concentration on big issue does not mean we can ignore these small issues. 'negative views' doesnt mean counterproductive, or rather in other words it may be some issue that SIXGA or organisers has neglected A good boss is always ¹«Ö¤£¬¹«Æ½£¬¹«¿ª¡£So when it comes to rumors, i believe the boss would not be able to solve all of them, i (more...)
For Singapore xiangqi organisations, all EXCO members are volunteers ......

the normal working methods in the offices/companies could not be applied here for volunteers.

For volunteers, we pay more attention to whether we could work as an happy team, we could not aim for 100 % results.

80-20 rules should be good enough, e.g. if you can spend 20% effort to get 80% members to join some activities, the remaining 80% effort should be spent in new areas instead of trying to get the other 20% members to join. We discussed this issue in the Bishan 4th EXCO 1st meeting held on 12 July 2008 and all members agreed that this should be the right approach, this is also one of the reasons that I do not really care about the negative views here in this forum as I am only work to serve the members and EXCO members of Bishan Xiangqi club and they will give EXCO members and me with direct feedback, I may list some examples later if time permits.

This is also one of the reasons that I did not take up the EXCO appointment in SIXGA EXCO in 2002 when elected as I could not affort to serve so many SIXGA members as compared to 50+ bishan members.

This is also one of the reasons that I respect whoever is taking charge of SIXGA as more effort are required and expected from them.

Ë®Æå may still not happy with my reasons but I think I have spent more than enough times to discuss this matter and I have no plan to move up (to SIXGA EXCO) but instead I am planning to move down or out with a plan acceptable to Bishan EXCO members.

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Example 2.1.1 -- The Election Method of SIXGA EXCO In 2004 and before, all life members and ordinary members are qualified as candidates for the Elections of EXCO, the SIXGA constitution was changed in 2004 for many areas including the removal of life memberships. Starting 2006, only candidates who agreed to stand for the elections are qualified.
some interesting figures -- to compare EXCO lists with old and new elections ..

if we study

2004 SIXGA EXCO list (the last EXCO list under old election method)

with

2008 SIXGA EXCO list (the latest EXCO list under new election method)

9 EXCO members from 2004 list are still stay in 2008 EXCO list with 4 of them served as members without specific appointments, hope not all 4 are leaving at the end of this current term.

There are 8 EXCO members in 2008 list not from 2004 list, i.e. all 8 are considered as new or relatively new blood.

We should give our full or better support to this new SIXGA EXCO team of 17 members which will be having installation dinner on 31 July 2008.

Wishing all 17 SIXGA 31st EXCO team a smooth and fruitful 2-year term ! :)
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