Singapore Xiangqi Development -- Positive Thinkings vs Negative Thinkings ....
as mentioned by 水棋, it is better to look at both "positive views" and "negative views", but to a normal person, nobody will want their views to be labelled as negative.
In here, we may try to document some examples of xiangqi event results depending of having positive or negative thinkings .....[齐启棋 (7-25 15:12, Long long ago)]
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Example 1 -- The postings in 悟入棋途 in the past one week .....
There were 20 主帖 posted in 悟入棋途 during the past one week (19 to 25 July 2008) as below :
Singapore Xiangqi Development -- Positive Thinkings vs Negative Thinkings .... － 齐启棋 300 bytes 2008-07-25 15:12 (15 reads)
Methods or Suggestions for 齐心协力 推动象棋！！！ － 齐启棋 227 bytes 2008-07-25 07:59 (21 reads)
也谈谈关于象棋的起源 ............. － 棋儒 3134 bytes 2008-07-24 17:43 (30 reads)
想知道新加坡有几个特大几个大师 － 太阳黑子 93 bytes 2008-07-24 15:58 (32 reads)
Reasons Why Singapore Open Organized in Boon Lay?? － 新加坡鸭子 549 bytes 2008-07-24 00:36 (47 reads)
What can a normal member do?? － 新加坡鸭子 1607 bytes 2008-07-24 00:36 (40 reads)
my first posting after 棋人生 ...... － 齐启棋 146 bytes 2008-07-23 18:36 (51 reads)
To版主:卷心菜 一刀n断 张辽 ........ － 齐启棋 124 bytes 2008-07-23 12:38 (52 reads)
“道泉茶叶杯”象棋明星赛开幕 吕钦赵鑫鑫等参赛 － 卷心菜 2330 bytes 2008-07-23 10:42 (20 reads)
the ugly of singapore － waterchess 46 bytes 2008-07-22 23:29 (45 reads)
personal views from one of the SIXGA ordinary members ...... － 齐启棋 1862 bytes 2008-07-22 18:53 (49 reads)
The Top Priority of Singapore Xiangqi ……… － 齐启棋 1271 bytes 2008-07-22 12:30 (49 reads)
The ugly side of Singapore Chess 2!!! － 新加坡鸭子 720 bytes 2008-07-21 16:38 (92 reads)
The ugly of singapore chess 1!!!! － 新加坡鸭子 437 bytes 2008-07-21 16:31 (58 reads)
新式象棋:中华国际象棋. 增加了一个“皇宫”及“牛”等棋子。 － 太阳黑子 702 bytes 2008-07-21 15:26 (31 reads)
炮士胜双士 － 炮卒 151 bytes 2008-07-20 20:47 (37 reads)
临危不乱,兄弟炮偷袭敌车得手 － 太阳黑子 468 bytes 2008-07-20 20:01 (25 reads)
Oct 2008 is a busy month for international events and next 5 months local events － 碧山 175 bytes 2008-07-20 10:24 (55 reads)
象棋双打对局(一刀N断/张辽 VS 几度/zyne) － 张辽 1014 bytes 2008-07-20 00:12 (74 reads)
新加坡那里有高手下棋？ － email123 94 bytes 2008-07-19 12:12 (38 reads)
From these 20 主帖,
how many are considered having negative thinkings ?
are these forumers with negative thinkings having the intention to improve the xiangqi development in Singapore ?
How the internet users looking at these 主帖 with negative thinkings ?
Anyway to improve the situation so that 悟入棋途 can contribute even better to the Singapore Xiangqi Development in future?
This is quite a major issue for discussion, but when I look at
几度 in early July 2008 talked about …..” ….. 卷心菜私下跟我感慨，说很多论坛都是从无到有，从小到大，人数从少到多，然后就开始骂战，最后就消亡了。大家一开始都是抱着热忱进来的，除了喜欢损人利己的，会有谁希望最后这样子收场呢？……”.
I hope I can help to do somethings as I still have a feel that I am part of 悟入棋途.
After all these efforts, of course the easier way for me is to ignore all the negative thinkings in this forum and only concentrate on the positive thinkings.
Anyway, one of the options is for me to leave this forum if I find that I could not contribute anymore to this forum.
[齐启棋 (7-25 22:05, Long long ago)]
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(引用 齐启棋:Example 1 -- The postings in 悟入棋途 in the past one week ..... There were 20 主帖 posted in 悟入棋途 during the past one week ...)hmm i think all of the posts are non-negative..can 齐启棋 share with us...which post you think is an example of having negative thinkings, so maybe we can learn from it as well... Thanks[水棋 (7-25 23:44, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]3楼
(引用 水棋:hmm i think all of the posts are non-negative..can 齐启棋 share with us...which post you think is an example of having negative ...)As mentioned, ........
nobody will want their views to be labelled as negative.
You may wish to learn from others closer to you.
You should not have any problem to study maximum of up to 20 forumers from these 20 主帖.
Of course, there are some ways of checking to help to identify those 帖 but I am unable to tell you the methods openly here. [齐启棋 (7-26 0:21, Long long ago)]
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(引用 齐启棋:As mentioned, ........ nobody will want their views to be labelled as negative. You may wish to learn from others closer to you...)erm..i dont get it, but...why not?[水棋 (7-26 0:35, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]5楼
(引用 水棋:erm..i dont get it, but...why not?)as mentioned, I do not want to waste my energy in another hot ...
as mentioned, I do not want to waste my energy in another hot discussion if any.
As a forumer in 悟入棋途, I have talked enough in this example and my wish is to move on to other examples if time permits, i.e by end July 2008 as planned.
You may ask why end July 2008 ?
Not for me to tell everythings, right ?
If you are still unable to get anythings from this example, it is better for you to ignore this example and move on too.
Just to reproduce the last three sentenses of my post earlier .....
I hope I can help to do somethings as I still have a feel that I am part of 悟入棋途.
After all these efforts, of course the easier way for me is to ignore all the negative thinkings in this forum and only concentrate on the positive thinkings.
Anyway, one of the options is for me to leave this forum if I find that I could not contribute anymore to this forum.[齐启棋 (7-26 6:04, Long long ago)]
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(引用 齐启棋:as mentioned, I do not want to waste my energy in another hot ...
as mentioned, I do not want to waste my energy in another hot ...)Just to help 水棋 in one of the ways in thinking .....
one of the 版主 has 送花 to my this example, at least one of the 版主 has agreed that I have done somethings in giving this example in 帮助网友创造良好的网络环境.
These are some of the methods used by 版主.
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应该是不需要对“每个不合适”的贴作remind。 － 卷心菜 110 字节 2008-07-24 12:00 (18 点击)
版主，又称“论坛志愿服务者”，利用附加工具“红色强调，置顶，删帖，送花，送华新币”帮助网友创造良好的网络环境。[齐启棋 (7-26 6:18, Long long ago)]
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Example 2 -- The changes of SIXGA ......[齐启棋 (7-26 9:39, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]8楼
(引用 齐启棋:Example 2 -- The changes of SIXGA ......)Example 2.1 -- The changes of SIXGA Constitution .....[齐启棋 (7-26 9:42, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]9楼
(引用 齐启棋:Just to help 水棋 in one of the ways in thinking .....
one of the 版主 has 送花 to my this example, at least one of the 版主 has...)thanks 齐启棋, agree with you but i think that no matter what...No matter isit a big issue like funding for SIXGA or small issue like complaining about something, they are all for the good of the SIXGA or organisers in the end, i mean if they do come and read the posts.
Even if they are not intended that way when the forumer posted it(say maybe they just want to spoil reputation or what), we can always view it in the way i have said, all about improving our organisers.
For all issues, like for example 'negative issues', we must and should all reason things out, it would be best to take note of every 'good and bad views' as they help to improve things. Therefore putting more concentration on big issue does not mean we can ignore these small issues. 'negative views' doesnt mean counterproductive, or rather in other words it may be some issue that SIXGA or organisers has neglected
A good boss is always 公证，公平，公开。So when it comes to rumors, i believe the boss would not be able to solve all of them, i think that it is almost impossible to do so because there are just too many possibilities to a certain thing, lets say for example Friend A told a joke to Friend B, but Friend B did not laugh, what can that mean? There are too many possibilities, the right reason may be seen as wrong and vice versa.
What i am trying to say here is that in this forum, it is the reason behind our claim, the factors that we bring out to support our claim that makes our postings convincing. If the 'boss' has seen negative posts in here, and purposely leave it there without explaining what is happening, of course the forumers's view may get biased and it would affect the morale and the trust given to the boss, therefore a lost in support from people.(this is a very important factor)
What i think the boss can do is to just explain ONCE with all reasons and supports, making post balanced with positive and negative views and therefore after that it would be up to individuals to think for themselves. But of course the boss cannot be biased and should be open to these post otherwise what he replies would all be nonsenses right?
i believe 齐启棋 has tried to reason the so many things raised by all and therefore he is tired now. But although i may still have different views which i think should be right, i still appreciates 齐启棋 for what he has done so far in forum for raising issues.
In conclusion, 公平，公正，公开！！！are the few main success factors for an organization. If forumers are reasonable and open-minded, discussions in here would be very fruitful!!
Thanks[水棋 (7-26 9:50, Long long ago)]
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(引用 齐启棋:Example 2.1 -- The changes of SIXGA Constitution .....)Example 2.1.1 -- The Election Method of SIXGA EXCO
In 2004 and before, all life members and ordinary members are qualified as candidates for the Elections of EXCO, the SIXGA constitution was changed in 2004 for many areas including the removal of life memberships.
Starting 2006, only candidates who agreed to stand for the elections are qualified.
[齐启棋 (7-26 9:57, Long long ago)]
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(引用 水棋:thanks 齐启棋, agree with you but i think that no matter what...No matter isit a big issue like funding for SIXGA or small issu...)Thanks for sharing your views here and I need to rush out ....to open the Bishan Xiangqi Club club house by 10:30 am.
You may wish to pay a visit to Bishan Xiangqi Club or SIXGA on one of the Saturdays when you are free.[齐启棋 (7-26 10:13, Long long ago)]
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(引用 水棋:thanks 齐启棋, agree with you but i think that no matter what...No matter isit a big issue like funding for SIXGA or small issu...)For Singapore xiangqi organisations, all EXCO members are volunteers ......
the normal working methods in the offices/companies could not be applied here for volunteers.
For volunteers, we pay more attention to whether we could work as an happy team, we could not aim for 100 % results.
80-20 rules should be good enough, e.g. if you can spend 20% effort to get 80% members to join some activities, the remaining 80% effort should be spent in new areas instead of trying to get the other 20% members to join. We discussed this issue in the Bishan 4th EXCO 1st meeting held on 12 July 2008 and all members agreed that this should be the right approach, this is also one of the reasons that I do not really care about the negative views here in this forum as I am only work to serve the members and EXCO members of Bishan Xiangqi club and they will give EXCO members and me with direct feedback, I may list some examples later if time permits.
This is also one of the reasons that I did not take up the EXCO appointment in SIXGA EXCO in 2002 when elected as I could not affort to serve so many SIXGA members as compared to 50+ bishan members.
This is also one of the reasons that I respect whoever is taking charge of SIXGA as more effort are required and expected from them.
水棋 may still not happy with my reasons but I think I have spent more than enough times to discuss this matter and I have no plan to move up (to SIXGA EXCO) but instead I am planning to move down or out with a plan acceptable to Bishan EXCO members.
[齐启棋 (7-26 17:17, Long long ago)]
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(引用 齐启棋:Example 2.1.1 -- The Election Method of SIXGA EXCO
In 2004 and before, all life members and ordinary members are qualified as ca...)some interesting figures -- to compare EXCO lists with old and new elections ..
if we study
2004 SIXGA EXCO list (the last EXCO list under old election method)
with
2008 SIXGA EXCO list (the latest EXCO list under new election method)
9 EXCO members from 2004 list are still stay in 2008 EXCO list with 4 of them served as members without specific appointments, hope not all 4 are leaving at the end of this current term.
There are 8 EXCO members in 2008 list not from 2004 list, i.e. all 8 are considered as new or relatively new blood.
We should give our full or better support to this new SIXGA EXCO team of 17 members which will be having installation dinner on 31 July 2008.
Wishing all 17 SIXGA 31st EXCO team a smooth and fruitful 2-year term ! :) [齐启棋 (7-27 0:41, Long long ago)]
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Example 3 -- The competition system for Individual events .......[齐启棋 (7-27 11:01, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]15楼
(引用 齐启棋:Example 3 -- The competition system for Individual events .......)Example 3.1 -- Singapore Open ....[齐启棋 (7-27 11:02, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]16楼
(引用 齐启棋:Example 2.1 -- The changes of SIXGA Constitution .....)Example 2.1.2 -- The Removal of Life Memberships .....[齐启棋 (7-27 11:04, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]17楼
一点建议不如给齐启棋先生再开一个版块或者专栏吧。
以后齐先生有哪些建议意见投诉牢骚灌水八卦人事政治就统统发到那里面去吧
这样给其他好贴一个重见天日的机会
让热心政治的人能更系统更方便的看贴回帖
也给一些对政治不热心的人一点选择的自由 [洛三儿 (7-27 11:50, Long long ago)]
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(引用 洛三儿:一点建议不如给齐启棋先生再开一个版块或者专栏吧。 以后齐先生有哪些建议意见投诉牢骚灌水八卦人事政治就统统发到那里面去吧 这样给其...)http://bbs.huasing.org/sForum/bbs.php?B=123_11051292[齐启棋 (7-27 12:19, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]19楼
(引用 洛三儿:一点建议不如给齐启棋先生再开一个版块或者专栏吧。 以后齐先生有哪些建议意见投诉牢骚灌水八卦人事政治就统统发到那里面去吧 这样给其...)内容尚可 只是略显零散 建议整理成一文 发于一贴 可予红心[一刀n断 (7-27 12:43, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]20楼