Maybe not that much about politics
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作者:几度 (等级:12 - 登峰造极,发帖:3128) 发表:2008-08-06 19:28:16  楼主  关注此帖评分:
yes i agree ultimatelythe main problem lies in politics and funding. I heard of some that request to be paid even before they win the tournament and in most occasions I do believe they get paid. If these people that are willing to pay them actually step up to sponsor for tournaments, than we probably would have a brighter future in promoting the sport. Furthermore, some that actually used to sponsor tournaments (due to some personal reasons) have decided not to do so in future. There should always be a line between their own personal feuds and promoting the sport although in most cases they are correlated. There are people be it ex chess players, chess enthusiasts, or even friends of chess leaders that are too much involved in politics that they actually derail the main objective of the chess association today. There should always be a balance between the two. Like a specific example recently, has caused lots of hoo-ha in the chess circle that is totally unnecessary. Specific players think that they are u (more...)
Maybe not that much about politics
To my understanding, these are the key factors before politics really plays a part:

1. Which club is willing to organize such a tournament? Usually clubs wish their own teams to have chances to get a place - this is indeed how the ranked + unranked system was invented, for it created more uncertainty and thus more chances for everyone. Strongest clubs might be interested, but this is obviously not their 1st choice of tournament type - This might not mean the club not supporting chess, but rather how best they can get the sponsors interested.

2. Who has the energy to organize such an event? In fact a club needs someone who's experienced and quite free to organize big events. I've seen some such persons stepping out of the chess circle, Right now maybe the 2 clubs with best chance to do so are White Sands and Bishan. Hopefully later we can see more.

3. Where's the sponsorship? This one I don't need to elaborate.

4. What is the venue? That should be a place easy to reach, best near MRT. Besides, a club needs to occupy the hall or room for a few days and must not be disturbed by other CC activities. This is much easier comparing to above 3 but still a difficulty for some clubs.

5. Support from the CC. When a few MPs are no longer in the position, we are actually now facing an issue of getting less support from the CC. This could be a temporary issue though, for I believe we can get more MPs to involve in the next years.

Well if you want to call all these politics, you can. To me, I'd rather call them the reality. Politics are those things some people do for their own sake while they pretend to represent the whole club.




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作者:几度 (等级:12 - 登峰造极,发帖:3128) 发表:2008-08-07 00:15:41  2楼 评分:
well..you could put it this way, it still falls between the two. With more money, people would be willing to organise more competitions when they get paid more and also search for places to organise them and the ones with the money has the say it's tht simple :P
Erm
Not really, because people might be willing to "donate" a certain amount of money in total within a period, say, in 1 year. Therefore if you put too much resources into 1 event, you might have the rest affected. For example, in year 2000, Singapore had a lot of chess events and many of them gave high cash prizes. In year 2001 the circle became much more quiet, probably even more quiet than 1997. Afterward it became worse and worse with the economy until about 2005.

In the recent few years we can see many tournaments had the cash prizes cut short, partly due to funding issues. Sadly to say, the reason why more team tournaments instead of individual tournaments are organized is mainly due to the ratio of funding vs number of participants.

However on the other hand, we can see that organizing a tournament might not need that much money, regardless whether it's a team or individual one, even though every winner wishes the figure to increase. :) The more important thing is still whether there are clubs or people willing to organize popular tournaments and benefit more players.

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作者:几度 (等级:12 - 登峰造极,发帖:3128) 发表:2008-08-07 00:56:49  3楼
Bishan's experience ...... if you refer to Page 5 of 碧山民众俱乐部象棋会简讯 (33) below : http://bbs.huasing.org/bbs.php?B=123_11015497 we consider these are the only 7 local major team events in the past 6 years. So far, we only plan 公开赛 for players without grades in : 2004年华族文化节期间开始举办的碧山杯碧山东选区个人赛,也发展成2006的碧山杯新加坡中区个人赛及2008碧山杯全国个人赛(无级);2010碧山杯全国个人赛将考虑包括队员总分制的全国社区团体赛项目。[Page 1 of 碧山民众俱乐部象棋会简讯 (34)]. In 2004 and 2006, we allowed graded players from the invited teams but not for 2008 partly due to a complaint from one of the 新加坡中区 residents (graded player) in 2006. As this is the case, we prefer to leave the graded players for SIXGA to handle and only to promote xiangqi activities for players without grades. We may include graded players in future years e.g. 包括队员总分制的全国社区团体赛项目 if possible in 2010, 2012 ...。 By the way, for any competitions, at least we need the supports from players, o (more...)
碧山基层活动开展得不错
在培养新秀方面碧山象棋会的成就是有目共睹的。我印象最深的一项是当初碧山坚持主办了几届小学生团体赛,在当时对避免象棋界年龄断层进一步扩大在实质上起了很积极的作用。希望各个有能力的棋会再接再励。

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作者:几度 (等级:12 - 登峰造极,发帖:3128) 发表:2008-08-08 21:00:07  4楼
主办者举办这类比赛的理由:我所听到的是“现在的无级棋手越来越怕输”!!! 如果允许“有级棋手”参加,无级棋手将没有机会得奖,他们就不会报名参加,这样棋赛的参赛人数就有欠理想,主办者不能向主办机构与赞助商交差。 我怀疑的是:我们的无级棋手是不是那么没有斗志?那么怕输?还是主办者自己的凭空猜测??? 有机会和有级的棋手切磋,提高棋艺,那是非常难得的机会!怎么会因为怕输而不参加呢?如果有棋手有这样的心态,我劝他回家睡觉算了,不要污辱了“象棋”!!!
想赢怕输,人之常情,不宜苛责。
说限制有级棋手参赛是因为无级棋手怕输,虽是托词,未免过分。“怕输”本意是对的,就是怕得高分的机会不多,但怕的不是“输”,而是名次的排列。即使是A组甚至于中国的甲级联赛,争分和保本仍然是棋赛的主流。能完全不计名次的棋手实在是凤毛麟角。

窃以为办无级棋手的比赛,无可厚非,因为无级棋手可以有更多的机会。无级中的强手,也可以在这些比赛中培养信心,为升级做好准备。无级强手如果在无级中太强,久而久之,也会厌烦无级的比赛,转而争取级别吧。前面的升级了,也可以鼓励中层的不断进取,夺取名次。办无级比赛真正的问题是,纯粹有级棋手参加的,或者有、无级棋手混合的比赛,相比之下,有减少的趋势。

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作者:几度 (等级:12 - 登峰造极,发帖:3128) 发表:2008-08-08 21:10:18  5楼 评分:
Donations?:Pin the first place i don't think we can find many so called "donations" and every year it's pretty obvious that the usual people are the ones making the donations but is that sufficient? That is also one of the main reasons why chess cannot be a professional sport. Because we do not have many rich people playing the sport. If there are, everything would be different. People would be more willing to do it if they're paid. Of course if you're talking about doing it for free than it's probably different. But mainly the driving factors are money and people that have the ability is usually people that are either more well to do themselves that desire to manage the commitee or has someone behind them to support them. But i totally agree that you'll have different organisers organising and deciding who to take part but ultimately, it is money's fault you can't blame organisors not inviting some teams though it is not very fair. Most of the time, i believe they are more like the middleman being manipulate (more...)
Well, talk about the sponsorship...
Maybe there are not too few sponsors, but if we try to figure out the reason why number of them appears to decrease, that's politics. On the other hand, this is in fact not the determining factor. The more important thing, as what I believe SIXGA trying to do, is to gain more recognition of the Singapore Sports Council. When Xiangqi participated in the Asian Indoor Games at Macau last year and won 3 medals (no criticism on you. You played in the toughest group and you contributed equally many efforts), certainly it helps, but we still have a long way to go. If Xiangqi is sponsored by the country, you probably don't need to worry about many things like now.

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作者:几度 (等级:12 - 登峰造极,发帖:3128) 发表:2008-08-09 12:10:08  6楼
Well, talk about the sponsorship...Maybe there are not too few sponsors, but if we try to figure out the reason why number of them appears to decrease, that's politics. On the other hand, this is in fact not the determining factor. The more important thing, as what I believe SIXGA trying to do, is to gain more recognition of the Singapore Sports Council. When Xiangqi participated in the Asian Indoor Games at Macau last year and won 3 medals (no criticism on you. You played in the toughest group and you contributed equally many efforts), certainly it helps, but we still have a long way to go. If Xiangqi is sponsored by the country, you probably don't need to worry about many things like now.
Don't be so sad
I never mean getting medals is the only way to get more government support. There should be various ways to convince them about the importance to maintain Xiangqi as a traditional game. As for the medals,mabye it's lucky last year (or maybe many people would think so :P), but anyway last year you guys have won 1/3 - 1/2 of the total medals SG team got if I am not wrong. In the future just do your best, 1/5 would be more than sufficient. :P The more the better though. The only thing I worry is how many countries will continue to favourite in sending Xiangqi team for next competitions, since most people are going for medals.

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