The ugly side of Singapore Chess 2!!!Another thing was the person who was said to have helped Master Lai, he was shouting during the whole meeting and was asking Master Lai to go out of the meeting if Master Lai think wht he had done was right.

In the end, when Master Lai was going to summaries the whole thing, he shouted that, he can also say he want to beat Master Lai up whenever he see him and think its not wrong at all!!!!!

In the end, the club did nothing about the behaviors of the members but only control all the players!!!

Member of the club could say and do what they like but they never do anything when they was wrong... Just say never do it again... No punishment to the members!!!!!

This is what the club is talking about fairness!!![新加坡鸭子 (7-21 16:38, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]1楼

something more about this issue that i heardJust to let everyone know about this..

My friend, (not sure whether it is the same friend as 新加坡鸭子) also mentioned something about cheatings at sp open. <<It is about a player letting another player win and then submitted a blank record and it was accepted by the judge. While other members are discussing about this issue during 1 of the meetings, 1 of the members claimed that it is his fault and cover up for the judge.

In the end, nothing happened to the judge or to the person who claimed that it is his fault.>> [水棋 (7-21 17:19, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]2楼

i think that...1) threatening to beat someone is definitely wrong in LIFE of all aspects, NOT just in chinese chess

2) as a SG chinese Chess Committee, i mean isnt it more acceptable for a SIXGA member to demonstrate wisdom, patience and to solve things in a peaceful manner? not anyhow say want to beat someone up?

3)Even if one has done something wrong or there is any misunderstandings, isnt it more appropriate for ONE to listen carefully to what the other has to say with the intention to solve things rightly? <Shouting during the whole meeting> seems to imply that this guy has already a biased view on Master Lai and seem to have already condemned him without any thoughts of solving things rightly.

In a game of chinese chess, isnt it the same as like condemning some openings just because the player assumed(has not done accurate calculations for the opening) it to be a lousy one?

Is this the way to think? is this the way a wise leader should be doing things?

If the things my friend told me are all true, i am sad that we, chinese chess players of SG do not have a wise leader. Why should we follow a group of people who just do what they like without fairness and has no answer to the players? hmm...what do you guys say? correct me if i am wrong pls.[水棋 (7-21 17:37, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]3楼

(引用 水棋:something more about this issue that i heardJust to let everyone know about this.. My friend, (not sure whether it is the same ...)Are you helping in the promotion of xiangqi in SP ?
from your posting of IVP Singapore 2008!! .....

I feel that you try to promote or helping in the publicity of xiangqi activity in SP.

I believe that SP xiangqi activities are handled by some students (any other helpers ?) as volunteers, I do not know whether you are one of the students there.

If you are having a higher level view of the xiangqi development in Singapore, or at least at SP level, then what you should do ?

You should join in to tackle the problem(s) within SP and not to talk about this problem (is it real ? Please have your internal discussion.) in this forum without solution, we as members of this forum could not help you in your SP xiangqi internal problems if any.

【齐】心合力 【启】动 象【棋】 [齐启棋 (7-22 15:29, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]4楼

(引用 齐启棋:Are you helping in the promotion of xiangqi in SP ? from your posting of IVP Singapore 2008!! ..... I feel that you try to pro...)oopsHi 齐启棋, i would like to clarify that i am talking about SG open and not SP open, sorry for typo error.

everything i post under <UGLY of SINGAPORE CHESS 2> is regarding SG xiang qi. Sorry for causing misunderstandings. It totally got no link with Singapore Poly. Thanks ANd i am not from SP. thanks[水棋 (7-22 20:38, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]5楼

(引用 水棋:oopsHi 齐启棋, i would like to clarify that i am talking about SG open and not SP open, sorry for typo error. everything i post...)上网表达己见应谨慎负责 ..... 所散布的信息将永存于互联网.....[齐启棋 (7-22 23:24, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]6楼

(引用 齐启棋:上网表达己见应谨慎负责 ..... 所散布的信息将永存于互联网.....)Yes, one should be responsible for what he/she says in a forumA forum is a place for all forumers to discuss about things, of course the things said must be relevant to the forum, without containing any rude or false contents that would bring about disturbance or mislead other forumers here.

Firstly, for forumers like myself, whatever i have said are subjected to <<<IF my assumptions or the things i have heard are correct>>>. As we know, there are always rumors spreading which means things can be UNTRUE, so there is NO harm discussing it in the forum and to ask for opinions and to try to get the facts. I think that it will be beneficial to all chinese chess players in Singapore to know about things happening around in SINGAPORE chinese chess world.

And because of that I have always asked to get correct if i said something wrong. By doing so, first i can help clear misunderstandings not just for myself, but for whoever else out there have the same misunderstandings. Second, all of us also get to learn

Forumers like me are also not perfect, so my opinions can be wrong and that is another reason to why i always asked to get corrected.

Last but not least, Things i posted are for people to read and to discuss. Opinions of all of US are IMPORTANT. Forum is not a place to tell one another to NOT express their views, but of course i have to agree with 齐启棋 that one should always be responsible for what he/she says in this forum.

Thanks[水棋 (7-22 23:42, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]7楼

(引用 水棋:Yes, one should be responsible for what he/she says in a forumA forum is a place for all forumers to discuss about things, of co...)just to share some personal views ...
I feel that you are a reasonable forumer and wish to share with you some of my personal thinkings.

yes, I notice about your "why i always asked to get corrected",

but in a forum, it is not the duties of other forumers to correct you even if you are wrong, e.g. without my previous post, we do not know about the typo error of SG (instead of SP) and SP held xiangqi competitions just in early July.

subjected to <<<IF my assumptions or the things i have heard are correct>>>

could not be considered as a valid reason if there is any serious matter with damages to be calculated at a certain time, e.g. e.g. if what you heard is untrue, the damage could be considered as 1 person-unit, but when you tell the untrue matter to all the forumers (x) here, then the damage could be considered as x person-unit.

Please just ignore my views if you do not agree.

Please be more careful in your future postings if agreed. [齐启棋 (7-23 9:07, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]8楼

(引用 水棋:Yes, one should be responsible for what he/she says in a forumA forum is a place for all forumers to discuss about things, of co...)Dear 水棋, After a while, you will realised thatdiscussing issues like 'kelong' or 'unfair treatment' topic will get little response.
Either people will ignore you or someone will come remind you to be responsible to your own words.
People here are generally careful with their words. Most do not wish to risk their 'chess career' talking about sensitive issues because they do not know how others might interpret their words.

Anyway, its good that you bring up what you know into this forum. I do not heard about the issue of the 'blank record' so I cannot comment much. But if it is true, then I think morally it is not right.For me, I seldom have time to participate in xiangqi competitions, so I cherish every games that I can play. Xiangqi competition should not be a platform for earning pocket money, it is for satisfiying of personal esteem and also game of 智慧角力. That is how I always think.[bls (7-23 9:52, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]9楼

(引用 齐启棋:just to share some personal views ... I feel that you are a reasonable forumer and wish to share with you some of my personal th...)hi 齐启棋Would like to thank you for expressing your views. You have my respect!!

I agree with you that it is my duty to correct my own typos, not the duties of others.

But i am sorry that i have disagree to with your claim ["subjected to <<<IF my assumptions or the things i have heard are correct>>>" could not be considered as a valid reason].

Firstly, forum is a place to discuss, so by saying <to get corrected> i have already sent a big message to all of us forumers here telling us that what i said may not be corrected. So in this case i have already indirectly asked them to not fully trust my words and therefore in a way we can all discuss about what reasonably we think is correct.

Like for example BLS has also expressed his view about some issues but they are also subjected to IF my assumptions or the things i have heard are correct.

In the case of typo errors making forumers confused, i will heed your advice to be more careful to check before i post, thanks alot for reminding!! :)
But being scared of posting a post with typo error shall not affect one person on whether he/she should express his/her views in this forum.

Thanks! :)[水棋 (7-23 10:29, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]10楼

(引用 bls:Dear 水棋, After a while, you will realised thatdiscussing issues like 'kelong' or 'unfair treatment' topic will get little res...)Hi blsFirstly, i would like to thank you for expressing your views.

Sadly, i have already realised that most forumers will not say much about these issue, sigh..but regardless of that, i will still post my assumptions and views in this forum for all of us to know more about things, provided that what i post are true.

So if they do not wish to post, i believe all of us have our stand, some may discuss secretly or with their friends when they are outside. So for this i will not mind if they do not reply. At least all of us know in our heart :). But then again, i really hope to get corrected if what i say abt things are wrong so we can have a balanced and reasonable stand in this forum.

Xiang qi is a game of 智慧角力. I totally agree with what you have posted! :) But i think that one can always have a claim before their post to be careful and to prevent unneccessary intepretation of words. And i believe that forumers should be as open minded as you. Not to be biased.[水棋 (7-23 10:38, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]11楼

(引用 水棋:hi 齐启棋Would like to thank you for expressing your views. You have my respect!! I agree with you that it is my duty to correc...)Please read 华新论坛守则.[齐启棋 (7-23 11:13, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]12楼

(引用 齐启棋:Please read 华新论坛守则.)Where is the link between that and my post?Have i done something wrong that broke some laws? Can you enlighten me?

Thanks[水棋 (7-23 11:32, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]13楼

(引用 水棋:Where is the link between that and my post?Have i done something wrong that broke some laws? Can you enlighten me? Thanks)I have given my views and you have given your views......
but 华新论坛守则 is the one we have to note all the times regardless what views we have. [齐启棋 (7-23 11:38, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]14楼

(引用 齐启棋:I have given my views and you have given your views...... but 华新论坛守则 is the one we have to note all the times regardless w...)May i request for you to share with me what are those that i need to..especially take note of? Like are my views are nearly violating something??
Thanks[水棋 (7-23 11:40, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]15楼

(引用 水棋:May i request for you to share with me what are those that i need to..especially take note of? Like are my views are nearly viol...)Just my personal views regarding your first post below before my reply ......
something more about this issue that i heard－ 水棋　526 bytes 2008-07-21 17:19 (80 reads)

Even with << and >>, if what you said is untrue, the damage is stand at 80 reads now, do you think it is fair to the organisers, both Boon Lay C.C. and SIXGA.

Whether your friend as mentioned was in the meetings, if yes, then he should clear the matters is the meetings, if no, he told you about this matter (the damage is one person only).

This is what I want to say about the damage, 1 person-unit and x person-unit if the matter is untrue.

As mentioned in my early post, it is not my duties to share my view in the forum.

A better way could be to ask your friend to channel the issue back to the meeting instead of writing here, anyway, just my personal view. [齐启棋 (7-23 12:03, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]16楼

(引用 水棋:May i request for you to share with me what are those that i need to..especially take note of? Like are my views are nearly viol...)hi 水棋, don't worry. 版主will remind you if your posting not appropriate.Currently I feel your posting is ok. So far 版主 did not say anything. If you stay in this forum long enough, you will know there are people you should ignore. Some people here have the habit of arguing with people. 'They' will argue for the sake of argue and search mistake in your words and debate with you. Just get use to it and ignore them if you don't wish to waste too much time. Most probably the arguement can drag for days and no point losing energy on that kind of thing.[bls (7-23 12:13, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]17楼

(引用 水棋:May i request for you to share with me what are those that i need to..especially take note of? Like are my views are nearly viol...)RE: 齐启棋i think that by claiming that my post may be untrue, there is no damage and it will be up to individuals whether they want to think and to discuss, or to get more information regarding what i have said. There are no duties or responsibility of any forumers here given by what i have said.

To discuss things in forum here, we all can only express views and not solve anything, only organisers like SIXGA can solve and declare things. So to motive to post here is not to solve, but to bring about awareness about some issues.

I also think that to say there is damage per unit person (x) is not logical, in the first place when i heard the news from my friend, there is no damage made to the organiser, i immediately posted the issue here, hoping to hear more about that issue and hopefully i can prove my friend wrong.

In other words, this action of mine will help the organisers clear issues up instead but this has to be up to forumers whether they want to share what they know or not. It would be best if some committee members can see my post and tell me i am wrong, wont it be good?

Thanks[水棋 (7-23 12:16, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]18楼

(引用 水棋:May i request for you to share with me what are those that i need to..especially take note of? Like are my views are nearly viol...)RE: blsHi bls, thanks for support and sharing with me your experiences. Appreciate that alot! Thanks!! I shall heed your advice from now.

Thanks![水棋 (7-23 12:20, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]19楼

(引用 水棋:May i request for you to share with me what are those that i need to..especially take note of? Like are my views are nearly viol...)我的意见：听两边的故事，自己判断！！！对不起，我不会写英文。[棋一生 (7-23 17:58, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]20楼