(引用 xiaobeidou:2006 到2008 最难忘的对局 今天比较空闲就发了呵呵:P吴贵临先负吴宗翰(beidou jan08) 许银川先胜吴宗翰(macau indoor games nov07) ...)对局有误对黎金福84步他走的是马6退5不是马退7[xiaobeidou (8-6 22:55, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]21楼
(引用 xiaobeidou:对局有误对黎金福84步他走的是马6退5不是马退7)这贴必须红心鼓励 哈哈[一刀n断 (8-6 23:58, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]22楼
(引用 xiaobeidou:well..you could put it this way, it still falls between the two. With more money, people would be willing to organise more compe...)ErmNot really, because people might be willing to "donate" a certain amount of money in total within a period, say, in 1 year. Therefore if you put too much resources into 1 event, you might have the rest affected. For example, in year 2000, Singapore had a lot of chess events and many of them gave high cash prizes. In year 2001 the circle became much more quiet, probably even more quiet than 1997. Afterward it became worse and worse with the economy until about 2005.
In the recent few years we can see many tournaments had the cash prizes cut short, partly due to funding issues. Sadly to say, the reason why more team tournaments instead of individual tournaments are organized is mainly due to the ratio of funding vs number of participants.
However on the other hand, we can see that organizing a tournament might not need that much money, regardless whether it's a team or individual one, even though every winner wishes the figure to increase. :) The more important thing is still whether there are clubs or people willing to organize popular tournaments and benefit more players.
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(引用 碧山:Bishan's experience ......
if you refer to Page 5 of 碧山民众俱乐部象棋会简讯 (33) below :
http://bbs.huasing.org/bbs.php?B=123...)碧山基层活动开展得不错在培养新秀方面碧山象棋会的成就是有目共睹的。我印象最深的一项是当初碧山坚持主办了几届小学生团体赛，在当时对避免象棋界年龄断层进一步扩大在实质上起了很积极的作用。希望各个有能力的棋会再接再励。
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(引用 xiaobeidou:2006 到2008 最难忘的对局 今天比较空闲就发了呵呵:P吴贵临先负吴宗翰(beidou jan08) 许银川先胜吴宗翰(macau indoor games nov07) ...)有这种水准参加的比赛才好玩！不让高手下可以推广但难推高。[火影 (8-7 8:54, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]25楼
(引用 火影:有这种水准参加的比赛才好玩！不让高手下可以推广但难推高。)different events are having different purposes and objectives ...
for those games played by xiaobeidou -- at national level
甘榜格南象棋个人赛 -- priority is given to members and residents at 甘榜格南社区
national events and 社区 events are having different purposes and objectives, no way we could compare them. [碧山 (8-7 9:57, Long long ago)]
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(引用 几度:ErmNot really, because people might be willing to "donate" a certain amount of money in total within a period, say, in 1 year. T...)Donations?:Pin the first place i don't think we can find many so called "donations" and every year it's pretty obvious that the usual people are the ones making the donations but is that sufficient? That is also one of the main reasons why chess cannot be a professional sport. Because we do not have many rich people playing the sport. If there are, everything would be different. People would be more willing to do it if they're paid. Of course if you're talking about doing it for free than it's probably different. But mainly the driving factors are money and people that have the ability is usually people that are either more well to do themselves that desire to manage the commitee or has someone behind them to support them. But i totally agree that you'll have different organisers organising and deciding who to take part but ultimately, it is money's fault you can't blame organisors not inviting some teams though it is not very fair. Most of the time, i believe they are more like the middleman being manipulated. The fear that in future these so called "donations" would not be donated again. [xiaobeidou (8-8 16:21, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]27楼
(引用 xiaobeidou:Donations?:Pin the first place i don't think we can find many so called "donations" and every year it's pretty obvious that the ...)可以找赞助商。写一份建议书(proposal)给他们。建议书要怎么写就要想想，里面要写需要多少钱，钱会怎么使用。
然后要让他们有好处，比如帮他们打打广告，推推产品等等。。找双赢局面。
F&N ,Brands ,Osim,Popular Bookshop 都可以问一下。
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(引用 xiaobeidou:Donations?:Pin the first place i don't think we can find many so called "donations" and every year it's pretty obvious that the ...)Previous Discussion on donations .........
you may wish to know a discussion on donations in Apr 2008 as below :
http://bbs.huasing.org/wap/xbbs.php?B=123_11011092
regarding 罗明士杯个人赛 and 团体赛, the formal MP 罗明士先生, many years with 甘榜格南, stepped down after the Singapore General Elections held in May 2006, the 个人赛 was renamed as 甘榜格南象棋个人赛 and still continue until now, as for 团体赛, from what I heard also due to a complaint during 2005 罗明士杯团体赛 and ended up with the present situation.
As mentioned in some of the earlier posts, the organisers are volunteers, usually they do not mind to spend times to plan and arrange the competitions, but they do have a strong feelings if there are complaints after the hard works. [碧山 (8-8 17:16, Long long ago)]
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(引用 xiaobeidou:2006 到2008 最难忘的对局 今天比较空闲就发了呵呵:P吴贵临先负吴宗翰(beidou jan08)
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...)主办者举办这类比赛的理由：我所听到的是“现在的无级棋手越来越怕输”！！！ 如果允许“有级棋手”参加，无级棋手将没有机会得奖，他们就不会报名参加，这样棋赛的参赛人数就有欠理想，主办者不能向主办机构与赞助商交差。
我怀疑的是：我们的无级棋手是不是那么没有斗志？那么怕输？还是主办者自己的凭空猜测？？？
有机会和有级的棋手切磋，提高棋艺，那是非常难得的机会！怎么会因为怕输而不参加呢？如果有棋手有这样的心态，我劝他回家睡觉算了，不要污辱了“象棋”！！！[棋一生 (8-8 20:22, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋一生:主办者举办这类比赛的理由：我所听到的是“现在的无级棋手越来越怕输”！！！ 如果允许“有级棋手”参加，无级棋手将没有机会得奖，他�...)想赢怕输，人之常情，不宜苛责。说限制有级棋手参赛是因为无级棋手怕输，虽是托词，未免过分。“怕输”本意是对的，就是怕得高分的机会不多，但怕的不是“输”，而是名次的排列。即使是A组甚至于中国的甲级联赛，争分和保本仍然是棋赛的主流。能完全不计名次的棋手实在是凤毛麟角。
窃以为办无级棋手的比赛，无可厚非，因为无级棋手可以有更多的机会。无级中的强手，也可以在这些比赛中培养信心，为升级做好准备。无级强手如果在无级中太强，久而久之，也会厌烦无级的比赛，转而争取级别吧。前面的升级了，也可以鼓励中层的不断进取，夺取名次。办无级比赛真正的问题是，纯粹有级棋手参加的，或者有、无级棋手混合的比赛，相比之下，有减少的趋势。
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(引用 xiaobeidou:Donations?:Pin the first place i don't think we can find many so called "donations" and every year it's pretty obvious that the ...)Well, talk about the sponsorship...Maybe there are not too few sponsors, but if we try to figure out the reason why number of them appears to decrease, that's politics. On the other hand, this is in fact not the determining factor. The more important thing, as what I believe SIXGA trying to do, is to gain more recognition of the Singapore Sports Council. When Xiangqi participated in the Asian Indoor Games at Macau last year and won 3 medals (no criticism on you. You played in the toughest group and you contributed equally many efforts), certainly it helps, but we still have a long way to go. If Xiangqi is sponsored by the country, you probably don't need to worry about many things like now.
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(引用 几度:Well, talk about the sponsorship...Maybe there are not too few sponsors, but if we try to figure out the reason why number of th...)some corrections...Firstly from 几度's post, Team Singapore Won 2 medals from the Xiangqi category not 3 medals. One Silver from IM Kang Derong, one bronze from IGM Zhang Xin huan and 4th place for me. Secondly to 碧山's post of volunteers, i believe most of them are volunteers however people like wang xing nan being referee i believe get paid, or perharps tuan seng. Please correct me if i'm wrong as i heard this from someone so this information might not be correct. I'm just saying that if they get paid, they would be more willing to organize competitions although they volunteer. Treating it more like an incentive.
The sport would surely be promoted better if we have the government's support. That is very true i totally agree. However, can u guarantee that we would get silver or bronze in the next competition. Lets be realistic, the competition would be stiffer.(5 players in woman's category)(4players in speed chess category)and lastly(5 players in individual category, All of them are IGM I'm the lowest rank as an IM) the only person that has the highest possibility to get a medal again is IGM Zhang Xin Huan(top 3). In order for the Government to support us currently is a secondary issue in my view. Reason being the results we produce. How long can we sustain this results? Currently i feel our greatest priority would be to promote the sport better internally so that we would be able to attract more youngsters to take up the sport and to spot for more talent thats why i added that events like 团体赛 would help. At the same time from a macro perspective, as China becomes more prominent and chess becomes more popular amongst youngsters than we would have a larger ocean to manipulate with. At this point in time the government wouldn't help much. Well, at least for the next couple of years.
It is also true that less people sponsor the competitions due to politics. Thats why i mentioned earlier on that the chess circle evolves between money and politics. However, how can the chess association promote the sport? From my view would be to have a strong national team to attract new talent, organize more competitions as well as higher prize money(to increase competitiveness between ichess and xiangqi). Without these sponsors, how are they going to make it work?
If we notice, it is usually the few people making the "important decisions" and these people are either people with money that sponsor or they are good friends with these people. (please pardon me for being straightforward :P) Ultimately, steps they make are crucial for the future of the sport. [xiaobeidou (8-9 0:28, Long long ago)]
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(引用 碧山:Bishan's experience ......
if you refer to Page 5 of 碧山民众俱乐部象棋会简讯 (33) below :
http://bbs.huasing.org/bbs.php?B=123...)should we pay the volunteers ? ........
regardless the volunteers from Bishan Club, SIXGA or other clubs, our practices to pay tokens of allowances (we paid between $25 to $60 per actual work day from the past 6 years records, no payment for the planning and preparation) as ways to show our appreciations to them, the differences could be we pay less to our members in general.
We should not expect free services from volunteers as they need to spend times, take leave etc.
Of course, there is no way for us to pay so call x times of "one-day salary" to them for taking leave to work with us for x days.
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(引用 棋一生:主办者举办这类比赛的理由：我所听到的是“现在的无级棋手越来越怕输”！！！ 如果允许“有级棋手”参加，无级棋手将没有机会得奖，他�...)May be we should consider a long term solution ......
for a competition for all grades, attention will be given to less time will be required, e.g. 2005 and 2006 Singapore Open, but the system not fully tested for at least 3 years and dropped.
in chinese, for a team event, we could consider the sequence of upper horse, middle horse and lower horse, but for an individual event, to have 3 different groups before the competition started should be a fair and better system.
Duration and funding are the two main factors in addition to the more critical factor of manpower needed.
For ideal situation, we should have the method like Divisions A, B, C & D etc and to cater for promotion and demotion each year.
Within Bishan Club, we used round robin system before 2006 for up to 16 players, and managed to introduce the Division system in 2006 and 2007 due to less number of players (24 in 2006 and 20 in 2007) and the player(s) could be promoted to Division A or demoted to Division D within the same year, the concept is same as round robin system but less number of rounds for most of the players by using division system.
With bigger number of players, more years may be needed for promotion and demotion.[齐启棋 (8-9 10:55, Long long ago)]
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(引用 碧山:should we pay the volunteers ? ........ regardless the volunteers from Bishan Club, SIXGA or other clubs, our practices to pay t...)i think u misinterpret what i'm trying to say?It would be good for people to volunteer and volunteers are actually very important people as the play a big role in promoting the game. Speaking about paying them for 车马费is the minimum amount they should get paid. Basically the chess association is really not much of an association without chess players and people that volunteer to organise chess competitions. Hence the chess association should probably try to market and advertise in a different way to get sponsors. [xiaobeidou (8-9 12:08, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]36楼
(引用 几度:Well, talk about the sponsorship...Maybe there are not too few sponsors, but if we try to figure out the reason why number of th...)Don't be so sadI never mean getting medals is the only way to get more government support. There should be various ways to convince them about the importance to maintain Xiangqi as a traditional game. As for the medals,mabye it's lucky last year (or maybe many people would think so :P), but anyway last year you guys have won 1/3 - 1/2 of the total medals SG team got if I am not wrong. In the future just do your best, 1/5 would be more than sufficient. :P The more the better though. The only thing I worry is how many countries will continue to favourite in sending Xiangqi team for next competitions, since most people are going for medals.
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(引用 碧山:Previous Discussion on donations .........
you may wish to know a discussion on donations in Apr 2008 as below :
http://bbs.hua...)i'm not sad.The Governement works like a bank. No results, they sack u. They're very realistic people. in a competitive society like ours espiecially how are u going to market yourself to make them feel that you would make it unless u produce results? Maybe u can hire some 特级大师come to singapore conduct courses constantly? but that would mean the opportunity cost would be high this narrows down to where do we find our cashflow "again".
i'm just trying to state my personal views on promoting the game. As a chess player, i feel there is a need to constanting look for new talent and to improve the standard of the natinoal team. [xiaobeidou (8-9 12:21, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋一生:主办者举办这类比赛的理由：我所听到的是“现在的无级棋手越来越怕输”！！！ 如果允许“有级棋手”参加，无级棋手将没有机会得奖，他�...)我记得以前没限制的比赛更多人参加。我还是觉得'公开'赛比较好玩。[火影 (8-9 15:51, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]39楼
(引用 棋一生:主办者举办这类比赛的理由：我所听到的是“现在的无级棋手越来越怕输”！！！ 如果允许“有级棋手”参加，无级棋手将没有机会得奖，他�...)我也比较喜欢公开赛的形式[张辽 (8-9 17:37, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]40楼