种子队的选取如果是为了赛务，让赛务处决定吧。选出的种子队，不代表我的意见。

heard from 黎德义 when I attended a wedding dinner together with him .....

40 yrs old or above

黎德义
范永康

below 40 yrs old

康德荣
吴宗翰
姚威和
黄荣岳

Do not know lists of Boon Lay and Buona Vista ....

I noticed that Queentown joined Sep 2007 Albert Centre Team Event and Nov 2007 Pasir Ris East C.C. Team Event but not this open event.

In fact, all xiangqi clubs should try to attend this coming team event if they have no problem in forming team(s) as most of xiangqi clubs are under PA and logically should give support to this PA's HQ event and Nee Soon South C.C. could be seen as 承办 only. (same as sudoku for Bishan C.C.)

Before Nov 2007 Pasir Ris East C.C. Team Event, 棋一生 mentioned that女皇镇有象棋国际大师郑祥福坐镇守关，辅以今年B组冠军姚威和，乙级棋士黄荣岳，再加上从义顺跳槽的熊国伟，实力鼎盛。

But this time 郑祥福 in Hua Chong team(?), 姚威和 and 黄荣岳 in Beidou team, could this be one of the problems of dual memberships ???!!! ended up Queentown not able to form a team this time ???!!!

Personally, I consider this development is not healthy as I noticed that Queenstown joined 2006 and 2007 Albert Centre Team Events and also sent a few members for the Lantern Xiangqi in Sep 2007 and performed well, but one month later (from 18 Nov 2007 Pasir Ris East C.C. 10-member Team Event) and not able to form a 4-member team for the mind sport......

This could be another issue or problem for new or existing xiangqi clubs to look into ......

one day before the event, still planning ....


40 yrs old or above (one or two boards)

陈沐铼 (Grade 1) (at least not free for 20 Dec)
郑海光 (Grade 2) (at least not free for 25 Dec)
洪泉发 (Grade 2)
沈连发
符策权
梅毅能 (at least not free for 25 Dec)

20 yrs old or below (two or three boards)

梅丁捷 (Grade 2)
陈一龙
杨荣桦 (may be not free due to work)
洪福阳 (16 yrs old)
陈茗芳 (16 yrs old)

anyway, with the current 12 teams, I believe the organiser should be happy with the number as the two public holidays including X'mas day are not the good period for the competition as comapred to early Jan 2008.

MEMBERS of queenstown. so i personally see no problem with this or "dual membership"

queenstown as if they do not have their own 4-member for mind sport, why go and get so many outsiders to form team for Albert Centre and Pasir Ris East C.C. team events and ended up back to square one after the events ????????

As long as this does not cause a lot conflicts, more teams will mean more chances for players to play. Maintaining a club isn't easy, so we need not expect one to participate in all tournaments.

黄荣岳 joined Bishan Cup Central Singapore Individual event in Feb 2006 under Queenstown team, could be he joins Beidou since then .....

As for 姚威和, I notice that he is under Beidou all the times, so when other told me that he is a member of Queenstown before Pasir Ris East C.C. team event, I do not believe too.

As mentioned in my previous few postings, I have no objection to dual membership but the relevant clubs should be more careful in their own development planning and do not let this issue to affect their progress.

The only solution so far I know is to build up your own team even if you are at the bottom of a few team events initially......getting good players all over the place is not a solution.

Forming 2 teams at Christmas period is difficult. Some more it's wierd if I need to tell a team that they don't play after forming it. A 4x number of teams is the best (even number in each of the 2 groups).

"Maintaining a club isn't easy, so we need not expect one to participate in all tournaments."

Due to maintaining a club isn't easy, this is why for dual membership, I always say the player and the clubs concerned should have the same understanding when sending players for external competition, i.e. to represent which team !!! so as not to have any misunderstanding for the clubs concerned.

but

firstly, all should pay attention to the closing date.

(Two primary school teams wanted to register after closing date but rejected.)

secondly, I believe the organiser also have no plan to amend Rule No. 4.

(one team withdrawn early)

thirdly, it is always the case for the organiser to have a spare team so that they are able to have even number of teams for the competition.

Last but not least, there are a lot of issues for the organiser to tackle but nowaday, I notice that quite a number of players do not appreciate the effort put in by the organiser, what they want just simply to have more chances to play chess, to have better prizes and to complaint. This is also one of the reasons for less xiangqi activities organised nowaday.

From my own experience in Bishan, I am happy that members just simply join the internal competition without knowing the prizes.

We are not ready to organise external team competition with so many incidences happened in the last few years for competitions organised by other organisations.

We are trying with the 第3届碧山杯全国象棋个人赛曁第1届碧山杯全国选区象棋团体赛 currently for the team competition of non graded players to be held on 1 & 2 Mar 2008 for the 2008华族文化节. If we could handle it well, we may include graded players in future.

By the way, anyone notice the closing date is 30 Jan 2008 for 第1届碧山杯全国选区象棋团体赛 ?

Please notice my criteria for dual membership is that it does not cause conflicts among clubs. In practice, a player shall seek for approval on dual membership from his club, and his club is best to acknowledge other clubs about this (because an additional team might affect other's position). Some clubs clearly states dual membership is forbidden, and their players shall not attempt to have it.

In fact, few dual membership can be done without conflicts. Therefore, the difference between our views is just whether to totally forbit it or to let it reasonably exist.

after the Kolam Ayer 3rd Anniversary team event held on 8 Sep 2007 when two young players from Boon Lay representing Feiying in the friendly match.

This time, the issue was surfaced again due to two players representing Queenstown and Beidou.

I do not see any problem if all the above players and clubs concerned have the same understanding of the arrangement although personally I think it will have impact in the longer term.


As for Bishan, we use the following guide :


一人多队, our current way to handle ....(发贴时间：2007-09-10 12:21)

http://bbs.huasing.org/sForum/bbs.php?B=123_10946133


One more example, for the 10-year old player from Pasir Ris East C.C. joined Bishan as member on 18 Nov 2007 (during the Pasir Ris East C.C. Team Event), I told his father very clearly that Bishan is considering his son under Pasir Ris East C.C. and will not send his son for external team competition unless we agree with Pasir Ris East C.C. Team on the new arrangement.

So far, we do not encounter any problem with the dual membership.

so that only Top 4 to play the Round 7 ( 1 vs 2, 3 vs 4) at Suntec with others play the Round 7 at Nee Soon South.

Anyway, unlikely for me to play any game in this event as we are forming the team with 5 young members and 2 senior members....