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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-07-20 10:24:36  楼主  关注此帖评分:
Oct 2008 is a busy month for international events and next 5 months local events
首届世界智力运动会 (北京) (10月3 - 18日) and 象总承办 :第15届亚洲象棋锦标赛(新加坡)(10月20-26日). Other local events are : --

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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-08-04 14:46:23  2楼 评分:
Oct 2008 is a busy month for international events and next 5 months local events首届世界智力运动会 (北京) (10月3 - 18日) and 象总承办 :第15届亚洲象棋锦标赛(新加坡)(10月20-26日). Other local events are : -- (more...)
2008年甘榜格南象棋个人赛 and 雅柏广场团体赛 .......

In 碧山民众俱乐部象棋会快讯34 ----今后两年活动计划预告 below :

http://bbs.huasing.org/sForum/bbs.php?B=123_11053510

we have indicated the following top 2 priorities :

1 棋会尽可能组队参加团体赛。
2 棋会鼓励会员应多参加个人赛包括内部会员赛,以吸取比赛经验。

There are three 个人赛 and three 团体赛 for the coming five months excluding two international events in Oct 2008 [首届世界智力运动会 (北京) (10月3 - 18日) and 象总承办 :怡和轩杯第15届亚洲象棋锦标赛(新加坡)(10月20-26日)].

to encourage Bishan members to participate in 甘榜格南象棋个人赛 (registration is to be closed on 10 Aug 2008) on 24 & 31 Aug 2008 is the first activity under our new direction; and

to participate in 2008年雅柏广场团体赛 (registration is to be closed on 1 Sep 2008) on 14 Sep 2008 is our second activity.

So far, 5 members have registered for 甘榜格南象棋个人赛 and we are in the process of forming team for 2008年雅柏广场团体赛.

Other possible events until end of 2008 for Bishan members are :

人协乐龄象棋活动 -- 2008年 (to be confirmed)

白沙东象棋团体赛 (12 队联谊赛) -- 2008年 11月 23日

甘榜格南象棋会10周年会庆 (9 队联谊赛) -- 2008年 11月 30日

第5届碧山象棋会会员分级循环赛 -- 2008年 12月 6,7,13,14日 (to be confirmed depending on the schedule of 宗乡会馆个人象棋赛)

宗乡会馆个人象棋赛 -- 2008年 12月




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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-08-06 10:59:10  3楼 评分:
2008年甘榜格南象棋个人赛,想报名的无等级朋友请联系陈运灏,邓章淦。Due to 奥运,I will not play. 2008年甘榜格南象棋个人赛,想报名的无等级朋友请联系陈运灏,邓章淦。
heard that priority is given to 甘榜格南 members and residents this year, .....
heard that priority is given to 甘榜格南 members and residents this year, may invite less teams.

7 of the 18 prizes are reserved for 甘榜格南 members only. For Bishan members, as our club is not opened on coming Saturday (National Day, a public holiday), please let me have the registration forms if any on 16 Aug 2008 (our next activity day) or to arrange to pass the forms to me. For those who have registered with me, I am still holding on to the forms but names have been provided to 甘榜格南.
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-08-06 20:09:50  4楼 评分:
queries....Couple of years back there were tournaments like luo ming see cup and more team competitions that requires 3 to 5 players. Why aren't there anymore competitions like these nowadays? The only team events i participated in was the Singapore Malaysia Cup last year and the yishun south 4 players team competition. If you don't mind me saying, i feel it's more meaningful in a way that there are more rounds and this gives the players a higher sense of competitiveness and aim, players take into account their teammates scenarios and can improve team bonding better amongst competitors. More importantly, i feel it adds value and helps promote the sport. I believe funding should not be a top priority because as a player myself i do not expect to receive any or very little prize money for the team competitions(not to mention certain players). (This is in comparison to the recent 9 versus 9 team events) I feel that it is important to let organisors know the views on promoting the sport and maybe from a differ (more...)
Bishan's experience ......

if you refer to Page 5 of 碧山民众俱乐部象棋会简讯 (33) below :

http://bbs.huasing.org/sForum/bbs.php?B=123_11015497

we consider these are the only 7 local major team events in the past 6 years.

So far, we only plan 公开赛 for players without grades in :

2004年华族文化节期间开始举办的碧山杯碧山东选区个人赛,也发展成2006的碧山杯新加坡中区个人赛及2008碧山杯全国个人赛(无级);2010碧山杯全国个人赛将考虑包括队员总分制的全国社区团体赛项目。[Page 1 of 碧山民众俱乐部象棋会简讯 (34)].

In 2004 and 2006, we allowed graded players from the invited teams but not for 2008 partly due to a complaint from one of the 新加坡中区 residents (graded player) in 2006.

As this is the case, we prefer to leave the graded players for SIXGA to handle and only to promote xiangqi activities for players without grades. We may include graded players in future years e.g. 包括队员总分制的全国社区团体赛项目 if possible in 2010, 2012 ...。

By the way, for any competitions, at least we need the supports from players, organisers and sponsors. From Bishan's experience, sponsors are not our concerns in the past 6 years.

Thanks to 几度 for giving so high rating to Bishan in a seperate post below.
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-08-06 21:08:03  5楼
很可惜,甲级大师不能参加。去看的棋迷会少很多吧。
甲级, 大师 can participate in 2008年雅柏广场团体赛 ......

the various club leaders have the rules ......
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-08-07 09:57:57  6楼
有这种水准参加的比赛才好玩!不让高手下可以推广但难推高。
different events are having different purposes and objectives ...

for those games played by xiaobeidou -- at national level

甘榜格南象棋个人赛 -- priority is given to members and residents at 甘榜格南社区

national events and 社区 events are having different purposes and objectives, no way we could compare them.
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-08-08 17:16:50  7楼 评分:
Donations?:Pin the first place i don't think we can find many so called "donations" and every year it's pretty obvious that the usual people are the ones making the donations but is that sufficient? That is also one of the main reasons why chess cannot be a professional sport. Because we do not have many rich people playing the sport. If there are, everything would be different. People would be more willing to do it if they're paid. Of course if you're talking about doing it for free than it's probably different. But mainly the driving factors are money and people that have the ability is usually people that are either more well to do themselves that desire to manage the commitee or has someone behind them to support them. But i totally agree that you'll have different organisers organising and deciding who to take part but ultimately, it is money's fault you can't blame organisors not inviting some teams though it is not very fair. Most of the time, i believe they are more like the middleman being manipulate (more...)
Previous Discussion on donations .........

you may wish to know a discussion on donations in Apr 2008 as below :

http://bbs.huasing.org/sForum/bbs.php?B=123_11011092

regarding 罗明士杯个人赛 and 团体赛, the formal MP 罗明士先生, many years with 甘榜格南, stepped down after the Singapore General Elections held in May 2006, the 个人赛 was renamed as 甘榜格南象棋个人赛 and still continue until now, as for 团体赛, from what I heard also due to a complaint during 2005 罗明士杯团体赛 and ended up with the present situation.

As mentioned in some of the earlier posts, the organisers are volunteers, usually they do not mind to spend times to plan and arrange the competitions, but they do have a strong feelings if there are complaints after the hard works.
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-08-09 10:16:42  8楼
Bishan's experience ...... if you refer to Page 5 of 碧山民众俱乐部象棋会简讯 (33) below : http://bbs.huasing.org/bbs.php?B=123_11015497 we consider these are the only 7 local major team events in the past 6 years. So far, we only plan 公开赛 for players without grades in : 2004年华族文化节期间开始举办的碧山杯碧山东选区个人赛,也发展成2006的碧山杯新加坡中区个人赛及2008碧山杯全国个人赛(无级);2010碧山杯全国个人赛将考虑包括队员总分制的全国社区团体赛项目。[Page 1 of 碧山民众俱乐部象棋会简讯 (34)]. In 2004 and 2006, we allowed graded players from the invited teams but not for 2008 partly due to a complaint from one of the 新加坡中区 residents (graded player) in 2006. As this is the case, we prefer to leave the graded players for SIXGA to handle and only to promote xiangqi activities for players without grades. We may include graded players in future years e.g. 包括队员总分制的全国社区团体赛项目 if possible in 2010, 2012 ...。 By the way, for any competitions, at least we need the supports from players, o (more...)
should we pay the volunteers ? ........

regardless the volunteers from Bishan Club, SIXGA or other clubs, our practices to pay tokens of allowances (we paid between $25 to $60 per actual work day from the past 6 years records, no payment for the planning and preparation) as ways to show our appreciations to them, the differences could be we pay less to our members in general.

We should not expect free services from volunteers as they need to spend times, take leave etc.

Of course, there is no way for us to pay so call x times of "one-day salary" to them for taking leave to work with us for x days.
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-08-09 19:58:03  9楼
i think u misinterpret what i'm trying to say?It would be good for people to volunteer and volunteers are actually very important people as the play a big role in promoting the game. Speaking about paying them for 车马费is the minimum amount they should get paid. Basically the chess association is really not much of an association without chess players and people that volunteer to organise chess competitions. Hence the chess association should probably try to market and advertise in a different way to get sponsors.
This is the No. 6th type of 象棋人才 in 黄少龙's article .....

漫谈象棋人才
黄少龙(中国象棋大师、南开大学教授)

.......

象棋产业经营者,是在市场经济中发展的开路先锋,目前特别需要这种人才,把象棋与市场经济挂起钩来。因为象棋属于文化范畴,是社会的上层建筑,应当建立在牢固的经济基础之上。如果离开经济,象棋就寸步难行。
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-08-09 20:15:31  10楼
我记得以前没限制的比赛更多人参加。我还是觉得'公开'赛比较好玩。
not true for 全国赛 in the last 10 years .......

since 1997, the total number of players for 全国赛 keep on dropping and the trying of combined system in 2005 and 2006 could not revert the trend.

In fact, the number of players in 2008 was the highest since 2005 ......

I do not think we are able to change back to the old days before 1997 due to the pace of living now ....

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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-08-10 06:56:49  11楼
Does all people know about 全国赛? Is publicity is enough.In the past(late 1980s and early 1990s), SIXGA used to advertised in newspapers, send letters and forms to every team to make registration easy. I remembered SIXGA secretary calling all rated players to inform about the event. For the past 10 years, I don't remember myself any of my chess friends being informed of 全国赛 unless they happened to visits SIXGA before the competitions. Take this year for example, there is no advertisement on the newspaper and many of my chess friends only knew about 全国赛 when the competition is 50% through. Publicity was not done enough for the recent years, that explains the drops in number participants. If International chess association can do it so well, why can't the chinese chess association? We have more people playing chinese chess then international chess I believe.
it is not fair to SIXGA and the organisers ........

the news of 2008 全国赛 did publish in the newspaper (I saw it but I could not recall the date).

Since 2000, we all know 全国赛 held in May/Jun school holidays of each year (except 2006 in July), for any player if really want to join, can pay a visit to SIXGA or just give a call around mid May each year (or leave your contact number to SIXGA if they do call the players).

The officials of SIXGA did call many players included unrated ones but personally I do not agree to the action as all are volunteers and why we expect the officials to do until such extents.

We have spent more than enough times on the competition issues may be SIXGA can discuss with all clubs if needed when meet the next time.

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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-08-10 11:23:00  12楼
I am not sure how many people saw the news from newspaper.None of my friends did. And none received calls from officials. Many of them are rated players. By the time they knew about the competition, it was too late to make arrangement for their time and they had to forgo the chance to play. We cannot assume that all people should know that 全国赛 is held in May/Jun school holidays of each year. People like 卷心菜 didn't know until 5 years in Singapore. If SIXGA assume that like , then they will not focus on publicity and participation rate will be low. As I mentioned, I-chess is doing very well. There should be no excuse that C-chess can't do it.
Please call 6259-0984 the next time ......

around Mid May each year if you and your friends plan to join 全国赛.

calling time --

Friday -- 7pm to 10 pm

Saturday and Sunday -- 2 pm to 10 pm

I am not in SIXGA EXCO but personally I feel that not an easy task is get 17 members to come forward and join the SIXGA EXCO, may be 火影 and whoever who can have good suggestions please come forward.
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-08-13 11:05:37  13楼
2008年甘榜格南象棋个人赛 and 雅柏广场团体赛 ....... In 碧山民众俱乐部象棋会快讯34 ----今后两年活动计划预告 below : http://bbs.huasing.org/bbs.php?B=123_11053510 we have indicated the following top 2 priorities : 1 棋会尽可能组队参加团体赛。 2 棋会鼓励会员应多参加个人赛包括内部会员赛,以吸取比赛经验。 There are three 个人赛 and three 团体赛 for the coming five months excluding two international events in Oct 2008 [首届世界智力运动会 (北京) (10月3 - 18日) and 象总承办 :怡和轩杯第15届亚洲象棋锦标赛(新加坡)(10月20-26日)]. to encourage Bishan members to participate in 甘榜格南象棋个人赛 (registration is to be closed on 10 Aug 2008) on 24 & 31 Aug 2008 is the first activity under our new direction; and to participate in 2008年雅柏广场团体赛 (registration is to be closed on 1 Sep 2008) on 14 Sep 2008 is our second activity. So far, 5 members have registered for 甘榜格南象棋个人赛 and we are in the process of forming team for 2008年雅柏广场团体赛. Other possible events until end of 2008 for Bishan mem (more...)
2008 甘榜格南象棋个人赛 (known as 罗明士杯个人赛 before 2006) .....
during 2003 to 2007, we had between 4 to 8 members in the competitions each year.

We will have at least 6 members in the coming event, not affected by 奥林匹克。 :D
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-08-19 15:09:21  14楼
2008 甘榜格南象棋个人赛 (known as 罗明士杯个人赛 before 2006) .....during 2003 to 2007, we had between 4 to 8 members in the competitions each year. We will have at least 6 members in the coming event, not affected by 奥林匹克。 :D
heard that at least 45 players for the coming event on 24 & 31 Aug 2008 ....
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-08-19 15:20:54  15楼 评分:
2008年甘榜格南象棋个人赛 and 雅柏广场团体赛 ....... In 碧山民众俱乐部象棋会快讯34 ----今后两年活动计划预告 below : http://bbs.huasing.org/bbs.php?B=123_11053510 we have indicated the following top 2 priorities : 1 棋会尽可能组队参加团体赛。 2 棋会鼓励会员应多参加个人赛包括内部会员赛,以吸取比赛经验。 There are three 个人赛 and three 团体赛 for the coming five months excluding two international events in Oct 2008 [首届世界智力运动会 (北京) (10月3 - 18日) and 象总承办 :怡和轩杯第15届亚洲象棋锦标赛(新加坡)(10月20-26日)]. to encourage Bishan members to participate in 甘榜格南象棋个人赛 (registration is to be closed on 10 Aug 2008) on 24 & 31 Aug 2008 is the first activity under our new direction; and to participate in 2008年雅柏广场团体赛 (registration is to be closed on 1 Sep 2008) on 14 Sep 2008 is our second activity. So far, 5 members have registered for 甘榜格南象棋个人赛 and we are in the process of forming team for 2008年雅柏广场团体赛. Other possible events until end of 2008 for Bishan mem (more...)
heard that 2008 雅柏广场团体赛 with 10 teams as below .......

Kampong Glam
Kolam Ayer
Nee Soon South
Bishan
Pasir Ris East
Fei Ying
Buona Vista
Queenstown
Boon Lay
NTU
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2008-08-19 18:46:53  16楼
heard that at least 45 players for the coming event on 24 & 31 Aug 2008 ....
9 of the 48 players are from Bishan, hope our members could ......

9 of the 48 players are from Bishan, hope our members could get at least 2 of the 11 prizes as 7 of the 18 prizes are reserved for Kampong Glam members.
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